Was Islam spread by the sword?

[outhouse]

For instance.
Regards

many of your links show exactly how islam spread by violence and war

you should read the whole article before posting and proving Islamic violence took place

 

[paarsurrey]

Further to Posts #2717, #2720 , #2722, and #2942 in response to OP's Post #1 I have to add:
Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.
I gave how Ahmadiyya spread peacefully in Argentina post #2430, Australia Post #2460 , Austria Post #2489, Bangladesh Post #2513, Belarus Post #2535, Belgium Post#2556, Belize #2571, Bulgaria Post #2595, Cameroon Post #2619, Canada Post #2636,Chad Post #2651,Congo #2672, Denmark #2703, Egypt #2824, Fiji #2883, France #2942, Germany #3025, Ghana #3102 , Guatemala #3149,Guinea Bissau #3168, India #3242.

• Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in
  
  Indonesia [1]

Ahmadiyya (Indonesian: Ahmadiyah) is an Islamic sect in Indonesia. The earliest history of the Community in Indonesia dates back to the early days of the Second Caliph, when during the summer of 1925, roughly two decades prior to the Indonesian revolution, a missionary of the Community, Rahmat Ali, stepped on Indonesia's largest island, Sumatra, and established the movement with 13 devotees in Tapaktuan, in the province of Aceh.[1] The Community has an influential history in Indonesia's religious development,[2] yet in the modern times it has faced increasing intolerance from religious establishments in the country and physical hostilities from radical Muslim groups.[3] The Association of Religion Data Archives estimates around 400,000 Ahmadi Muslims,[4] spread over 542 branches across the country.

An early community of Ahmadi Muslims in front of a mosque in Singaparna, Java, in the late 1920s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_in_Indonesia

• Country:
  
  Indonesia :Ahmadiyya population : 400,000
• Percentage (%) of Muslims : 0.2 %
• Percentage (%) of population:0.2 %

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country

Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in

Indonesia?
Isn't it a glorious sign for the wise? Please

Regards

 

[outhouse]

Ahmadiyya

has NOTHING to do with the origin or spread of islam.

It is a minor sect not even recognized as being islam to many muslims

from your link

With violence and large demonstrations, in 2008, many Muslims in Indonesia protested against Ahmadi Muslims.

So Ahmadi cause violence by being there.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
For instance.
Regards

many of your links show exactly how islam spread by violence and war
you should read the whole article before posting and proving Islamic violence took place

You are free to bring out whatever I missed, I don't mind.
I am clear about Islam. it spread peacefully.
Regards

 

[outhouse]

Ahmadiyya has NOTHING to do with the origin or spread of islam.

It is a minor sect not even recognized as being islam to many muslims

from your link

With violence and large demonstrations, in 2008, many Muslims in Indonesia protested against Ahmadi Muslims.

So Ahmadi cause violence by being there, now the question is did Ahmadi do this on purpose? or did ISLAM cause violence because islam does not PLAY well with others even their own kind????????????

EITHER WAY! ISLAM IS VIOLENCE by your own post.

 

[paarsurrey]

has NOTHING to do with the origin or spread of islam.
It is a minor sect not even recognized as being islam to many muslims
from your link
With violence and large demonstrations, in 2008, many Muslims in Indonesia protested against Ahmadi Muslims.
So Ahmadi cause violence by being there.

One is simply wrong.
Ahmadiyya never caused any violence in Indonesia:

Sickening Attack Leaves Disabled Ahmadi Severely Injured

Jakarta Globe | November 10, 2011

Ahmadi children playing at the Transito shelter in Mataram, Lombok, in September this year. (Antara Photo)
A disabled member of the Indonesian’s minority Ahmadiyah religious sect survived a brutal attack by an unknown assailant but had both his ears partially severed with a machete, it was reported on Thursday.
The victim was identified as Sadarudin, a resident of the run-down Transito shelter in Mataram, Lombok, that has been home to almost 150 persecuted Ahmadi for the last six years.
For more details, one may like to read the full article:
https://www.persecutionofahmadis.org/sickening-attack-leaves-disabled-ahmadi-severely-injured/
With thanks to Jakarta Globe.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

has NOTHING to do with the origin or spread of islam.
It is a minor sect not even recognized as being islam to many muslims
from your link
With violence and large demonstrations, in 2008, many Muslims in Indonesia protested against Ahmadi Muslims.
So Ahmadi cause violence by being there.

One is simply wrong.
Ahmadiyya never caused any violence in Indonesia:
Blasphemy not a crime: UN official

NATIONAL Fri, 11/11/2011 11:30 AM
Bagus BT Saragih, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta
Amid various acts of discrimination and the persecution of followers of the Ahmadiyah sect, a UN official says blasphemy should not be categorized as a crime.

Frank William La Rue, the UN Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression, said blasphemy may indeed come from someone who disrespects a religion but that this should not be seen as a criminal action.
For more details, one may like to read the full article:
https://www.persecutionofahmadis.org/blasphemy-not-a-crime-un-official/
With thanks to Jakarta Post.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

has NOTHING to do with the origin or spread of islam.
It is a minor sect not even recognized as being islam to many muslims
from your link
With violence and large demonstrations, in 2008, many Muslims in Indonesia protested against Ahmadi Muslims.
So Ahmadi cause violence by being there.

It is simply wrong.
Ahmadiyya never caused any violence in Indonesia:

HEADLINESTue, 11/15/2011 12:23 PM
Ina Parlina, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta
The House of Representatives has completed a draft of the so-called religious tolerance bill, which observers claim would threaten the very essence of pluralism and tolerance.

"However, teachings of the Islamic minority sect Ahmadiyah have been deemed heretical and blasphemous by the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI). Followers of the faith have been increasingly targeted in recent years by violent groups who have persuaded several local governments through intimidation and rallies to ban the sect “to maintain security in their regions”.
In February, three Ahmadis were murdered in a mob assault on their community compound in Cikeusik, Banten. The attackers were believed to be members of Islamic hard-line groups. Despite video evidence showing the perpetrators commit the crimes, only a handful were brought to court, where they were handed light sentences of several months each.
Setara recorded 50 separate attacks against Ahmadis in 2010."
For more details, one may like to read the full article:
https://www.persecutionofahmadis.org/house-told-to-scrap-intolerant-bill/
With thanks to Jakarta Post.
Regards

 

[outhouse]

So islam does not like them, so more Islamic violence is present ?

The attackers were believed to be members of Islamic hard-line groups

Either way it is ISLAMIC VIOLENCE

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
The attackers were believed to be members of Islamic hard-line groups

Either way it is ISLAMIC VIOLENCE

No, it is political extremism and reflects abuse of of Islam/Quran/Muhammad and is against their peaceful teachings. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad timely warned against it:

I have written this book, so that, by adducing proofs from established facts, from conclusive historical evidence of proved value and from ancient documents of non-Muslims, I might remove the serious misconceptions which are current among Muslims and among most Christian sects regarding the earlier and the later life of Jesus (on whom be peace) - misconceptions, the dangerous implications of which have not only injured and destroyed the conception of Divine Unity, but the unwholesome and poisonous influence of which has for long been noticed in the morals of the Muslims of this country. Spiritual maladies, i.e., want of good morals, evil thoughts, callousness, want of sympathy, are spreading among most Islamic sects, being the result of beliefs in unfounded stories and anecdotes of this kind. Human sympathy, pity and love of justice, humility and humble-mindedness - all good qualities - are disappearing day by day, as if they will soon bid a last farewell to this community. This callousness and this immorality make many a Muslim appear no better than the beasts of the jungle. A Jain or a Buddhist is afraid of and avoids killing even a mosquito or a flea, but, alas! there are many among us Muslims who, while they kill an innocent man or commit wanton murder, are not afraid of the powerful God, who rates human life higher than that of all the animals. What is this callousness and cruelty and want of sympathy due to? It is due to this - that from their very childhood, stories and anecdotes and wrong views of the doctrine of Jihad are dinned into their ears and inculcated into their hearts, the result being that gradually they become morally dead and cease to feel the heinousness of their hateful actions; nay, rather, the man who murders another man unawares and thus brings ruin to the murdered man's family thinks that he has done a meritorious deed; or rather, that he has made the most of an opportunity to win favour with his community.
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/intro.html​

Hence, under the peaceful teachings of Islam/Quran/Muhammad, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah/ Imam-Mahdi has started the movement of Reformation of Religion under the name of Ahmadiyya.
Regards

 

[outhouse]

The attackers were believed to be members of Islamic hard-line groups

YES it is ISLAMIC VIOLENCE

 

[paarsurrey]

Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
Islam did not spread by sword. In fact sword is a hindrance in the way of spread of Islam. Quran provides both commandments and the gist of wisdom of the same; this peculiarity is not retained in book of any other revealed religion.Islam flourishes most in peace with its strong reasonable and rational arguments.
For example:

Spread of Islam in Costa Rica: [2]

Costa Rica ( i/ˌkoʊstə ˈriːkə/; Spanish: [ˈkosta ˈrika]; literally meaning, "Rich Coast"), officially the Republic of Costa Rica (Spanish:República de Costa Rica), is a country in Central America, bordered by Nicaragua to the north, Panama to the southeast, the Pacific Ocean to the west, the Caribbean Sea to the east, and Ecuador to the south of Cocos Island. It has a population of around 4.5 million, of whom nearly a quarter live in the metropolitan area of the capital and largest city, San José.

The statistics for Islam in Costa Rica is around 50 families, or 0.001% of the population. There are very few Islamic organizations in San José including the Islamic Association of Costa Rica led by Secretary General Dr. Abdul Fatah Sasa,[1] and the Centro Cultural Musulmán de Costa Rica in Alajuela led by Jenny Rashida Torres.[2] The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community only established in the country as recent as 2013.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Costa_Rica

Tico Converts Seek Peace, Honesty in Islam

Sánchez estimates that he is one of 20 Ticos who make up a small portion of the country’s Muslim population, a tiny minority in a country that is 90 percent Christian. Like most Ticos, he was raised in a Catholic family, but, seven years ago, he began searching for something new.
“(The Catholic Church) just didn’t fulfill my expectations,” he said. “For a long time I looked at Protestant Christian churches but I still had doubts.”
It was during his spiritual search that a friend gave him what turned out to be a life- changing gift – a small book that outlined the five pillars of Islam, one of which is Salah, or prayer. At the time, Sánchez didn’t have any idea what Islam was, much less that it was the second largest religion in the world. He just knew that he liked the prayers written in the book and that he felt something unique when he read them.
“I always say that finding Islam was a miracle from God,” he said.
For Sánchez it is not enough to faithfully adhere to the basic beliefs of Islam. He wants to do more to illustrate that he is grateful for what he describes as the blessing of being led to his faith. He believes that he must show the world that he is Muslim by letting his beard grow and wearing a knit prayer cap called a taqiyah.
He says, “As a Tico Muslim I feel that I have the responsibility to bring Islam to other people, so I made my decision that people in the street would recognize me as a Muslim. Even if people make fun of me, it is with much pleasure that I am able to share Islam with them.”
http://www.ticotimes.net/2010/09/13/tico-converts-seek-peace-honesty-in-islam

Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:< 1,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] :< 0.1
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] :0.1
Muslim Population Other Sources : -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Costa Rica . Do you see any?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards

 

[outhouse]

Islam in Costa Rica is around 50 families

This is proof of the massive violence islam!!!!!!


There is little to no violence where there are no muslims. If there were more muslims there would be more violence.

Where ever muslims are a minority they scream for minority rights!
Where ever muslims are a majority, there are NO minority rights.

 

[outhouse]

It has a population of around 4.5 million

And only 50 families find any value in islam.

That's not something I would be bragging about.

 

[paarsurrey]

Post #3283

has NOTHING to do with the origin or spread of islam.
It is a minor sect not even recognized as being islam to many muslims
from your link
With violence and large demonstrations, in 2008, many Muslims in Indonesia protested against Ahmadi Muslims.
So Ahmadi cause violence by being there.

Ahmadiyya don't cause any violence.
it is political extremism and reflects abuse of of Islam/Quran/Muhammad and is against their peaceful teachings. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad timely warned against it:

"As no lectures or sermons are delivered in our country to stop such evils - and if there are any such lectures they have an element of hypocrisy in them - the common people think approvingly of such misdeeds. Accordingly, taking pity upon my own people, I have compiled several books in Urdu, Persian and Arabic, in which I have stated that the popular view of Jihad prevalent among Muslims, that is, the expectation of a bloody Imam, full of spite and hostility for other people, is a texture of false beliefs inculcated by shortsighted Ulema; otherwise, Islam does not allow the use of the sword for the Faith; except in the case of defensive wars, or in the case of wars waged to punish a tyrant or to uphold freedom. The need of a defensive war arises when the aggression of an adversary threatens one's own life. These are the three kinds of Jihad permitted by the Shariat, and, apart from these three kinds, there is no other kind of war which is permitted by Islam for the propagation of the Faith. I have, in short, spent a large sum of money on such books, and have published them in this country and in Arabia and Syria and Khurasan, etc. But, by the grace of God, I have now discovered powerful arguments which are meant to eradicate these unfounded beliefs from the hearts of the people. I have clear proofs, circumstantial evidence of a conclusive character, and historical evidence the light of whose truth holds out the promise that soon after their publication there will be brought about against such beliefs a wonderful change in the hearts of the Muslims. And I hope - I am sure - that after these truths have been comprehended, there will flow out of the hearts of the righteous sons of Islam the sweet and beautiful springs of lowliness, humility and mercy, and that there will come about a spiritual change which will have a wholesome and a blessed influence on the country. I am also sure that Christian investigators and all other people who hanker after the truth and thirst for it, will benefit from my books. And the fact just now stated by me, that the real object of this book is to correct the wrong beliefs which have become part and parcel of the creeds of Muslims and Christians."
"Jesus in India" published in 1908.
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/intro.html​

Hence, under the peaceful teachings of Islam/Quran/Muhammad, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah/ Imam-Mahdi has started the movement of Reformation of Religion under the name of Ahmadiyya.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Further to Posts #2717, #2720 , #2722, and #2942 in response to OP's Post #1 I have to add:
Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.
For instance:

• Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in
  
  Indonesia [2]

History :First contact


The Three Pioneers, in their later years. From left to right: Ahmad Nurdin, Abubakar Ayub, Zaini Dahlan.

The history of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Indonesia begins in 1925, during the era of Dutch colonization of the Indonesian archipelago, approximately two decades prior to the Indonesian Revolution. However, contact with the Indonesian people and Ahmadi Muslims of India dates back a few years earlier. In 1922, in order to further their religious studies, three Indonesian students, Abubakar Ayyub, Ahmad Nuruddin and Zaini Dahlan, from Sumatra Tawalib, a boarding school in Sumatra, initially planned to travel to Islamic institutions in Egypt, which during that period were known for their reputation in the Muslim world. However, their teachers advised them to travel to India, which according to them was increasingly becoming a center of Islamic thought. It has been suggested that a number of Ahmadi Muslim journals and books published in India were widely circulated in South East Asian countries of Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia, in the 1920s.[5] Moreover, on October 1920, Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din, the leader of the splinter group Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement toured Southeast Asia where he successfully managed to win confidence among some Indonesian Muslims. He delivered a number of speeches in Surabaya and Batavia which attracted headlines in several leading newspapers. It has been postulated that this may have been the trigger for the teachers to recommend a trip to India.[6]

On complying with their teachers advice, all three students set out separately and reunited in the north Indian city of Lucknow. Whilst in the city they began their education in Islamic studies atMadrasah Nizhamiyyah Darun Nadwah under the supervision of Abdul Bari-al Ansari. Feeling unsatisfied, and having recalled a lecture by Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din in Java, they soon set out towards his city, Lahore, over 500 miles north west of Lucknow, and encountered with members of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement, which at that time had already split with the main Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, still based in Qadian. Impressed by the Ahmadi teachings under the supervision of Maulana Abdus Sattar, and on the other hand, having discovered the split of the Lahori Ahmadis, they decided to travel to Qadian. Multiple theories abound as for the justification for this move. It has been suggested that the students desired to know more about the source of the teachings of Ahmadiyya and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. However, a more popular opinion suggests that Abdus Sattar was himself convinced of the superiority of the main branch, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and was spiritually aligned to them.[6]

Soon after their arrival, the three students decided to take oath of allegiance at the hands of Caliph Mirza Basheer-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad and opted to continue their studies in Qadian. On invitation, a further 23 students from the Indonesian boarding school Sumatra Tawalib, arrived in Qadian to further pursue Islamic studies and having learnt of the Ahmadi teachings, they too converted to the Ahmadiyya movement.[7] In 1924, the caliph toured the Middle East and Europe. Having learnt this, a number of Indonesian students, whilst still studying in Qadian, desired that their caliph should also visit the East, in particular the Indonesian archipelago. In a formal speech delivered in Arabic to the caliph, by Haji Mahmud, a spokesman for the Indonesian students in Qadian, the students expressed this very desire. The caliph, assured them that he himself will not be able to visit Indonesia but will soon send a representative, a missionary, to the region. Subsequently, in the summer of 1925, under the directive of the caliph, Rahmat Ali, a missionary of the Ahmadiyya movement, arrived in Tapaktuan, Aceh, the northern province of the Sumatra Island. With this, the foundation of the Ahmadiyya movement in Indonesia was laid.[7] In the history of the Community, the three aforementioned students are renowned as the early pioneers of the Ahmadiyya movement in Indonesia. Through their pioneering efforts, and various missionaries of the Community, Ahmadiyya was to spread across Indonesia.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_in_Indonesia
Country:

Indonesia :Ahmadiyya population : 400,000

• Percentage (%) of Muslims : 0.2 %
• Percentage (%) of population:0.2 %

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country

Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in

Indonesia?
Isn't it a glorious sign for the wise? Please

Regards

 

[outhouse]

Either way it is ISLAMIC VIOLENCE

Indonesian War

The struggle lasted for over four years and involved sporadic but bloody armed conflict

 

[paarsurrey]

has NOTHING to do with the origin or spread of islam.
It is a minor sect not even recognized as being islam to many muslims
from your link
With violence and large demonstrations, in 2008, many Muslims in Indonesia protested against Ahmadi Muslims.
So Ahmadi cause violence by being there.

One is simply wrong.
Ahmadiyya never caused any violence in Indonesia:
Hard-Line Group Lashes Out At Bekasi Ahmadis

HOME
Ulma Haryanto | November 15, 2011
More than 30 people claiming to be from the notorious Islamic Defenders Front besieged an Ahmadiyah mosque in the Jatibening area of Bekasi on Monday, demanding it be sealed off.
Local Ahmadiyah leader Rahmat Rahmadijaya told the Jakarta Globe that the group tried to place a placard in front of the mosque to make clear that Ahmadis were not allowed to worship.
“It happened around 2 p.m., about 30 people entered the mosque. They wanted to hang up a placard stating that Ahmadiyah is banned, based on the Joint Ministerial Decree, a West Java gubernatorial decree and a decree by the Bekasi mayor,” Rahmat said, referring to the activists.
For detail,please access the following link:
https://www.persecutionofahmadis.org/hard-line-group-lashes-out-at-bekasi-ahmadis/
With thanks to Jakarta Globe.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

many of your links show exactly how islam spread by violence and war
you should read the whole article before posting and proving Islamic violence took place

Please just quote one such instance.
Regards

 

[Ex Muslim]

Hi everyone. Some people say that Islam was spread by the sword. Others say that it was not. The Koran says that there is to be no compulsion in religion so it would seem that Islam's sacred text would condone religious freedom. But was this really the case historically? Here is the reference from the Koran which I am referring to.

Hi the verse quoted was abrogated, earlier Meccan verses which show tolerance were pretty much all abrogated once Muhammad gained power in Medinah.

With regards to Islam being spread by the sword, there is little doubt about this. There are many details about battles Muhammad was involved in, but the Ridda wars serve as a major proof, in a nutshell the majority of Arabs apostated after Muhammad died, Abu Bakr (first successor of Muhammad) and his generals then launched a major campaign and ensured that those who wished to leave Islam remained Muslim.