Was Islam spread by the sword?

[paarsurrey]

Was Islam spread by the sword?

No.

For example:

Spread of Islam in Jordan: [1]

More than 92 percent of population in Jordan adhered to Sunni Islam in the late 1980s. Although observance was not always orthodox, devotion to and identification with the faith was high. Islam was the established religion, and as such its institutions received government support.

The 1952 Constitution stipulates that the king and his successors must be Muslims and sons of Muslim parents. Religious minorities included Christians of various denominations, a few Shi'a Muslims, and even fewer adherents of other faiths.
Jordan is a religious and conservative country.[1]

Islam in Social Life pre-1980s[edit]

Despite a strong identification with and loyalty to Islam, religious practices varied among segments of Jordan's population. This unevenness in practice did not necessarily correlate with a rural-urban division or differing levels of education. The religious observance of some Jordanians was marked by beliefs and practices that were sometimes antithetical to the teachings of Islam. Authorities attributed at least some of these elements to pre-Islamic beliefs and customs common to the area.

In daily life, neither rural dwellers nor urbanites were overly fatalistic. They did not directly hold God responsible for all occurrences; rather, they placed events in a religious context that imbued them with meaning. The expression inshallah (God willing) often accompanied statements of intention, and the term bismallah (in the name of God) accompanied the performance of most important actions. Such pronouncements did not indicate a ceding of control over one's life or events. Jordanian Muslims generally believed that in matters that they could control, God expected them to work diligently.

Muslims have other ways of invoking God's presence in daily life. Despite Islam's unequivocal teaching that God is one and that no being resembles him in sanctity, some people accepted the notion that certain persons (saints) have baraka, a special quality of personal holiness and affinity to God. The intercession of these beings was believed to help in all manner of trouble, and shrines to such people could be found in some localities. Devotees often visited the shrine of their patron, especially seeking relief from illness or inability to have children.

Islam in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Jordan.

Regards

 

[1robin]

Please quote from Quran, the only reliable source of Islam/Muhammad of Muhammad's time.

Regards

Why? I consider the Quran horrible historically and have no doctrinal reasons to deny extra-quranic sources. Not even Islam denies the Hadith and all kinds of additional writings, a Christian is certainly not bound by the Quran. I use the same sources Shabir Alli and other Islamic apologists do.

 

[1robin]

Was Islam spread by the sword?

No.

For example:

Spread of Islam in Jordan: [1]

More than 92 percent of population in Jordan adhered to Sunni Islam in the late 1980s. Although observance was not always orthodox, devotion to and identification with the faith was high. Islam was the established religion, and as such its institutions received government support.

The 1952 Constitution stipulates that the king and his successors must be Muslims and sons of Muslim parents. Religious minorities included Christians of various denominations, a few Shi'a Muslims, and even fewer adherents of other faiths.
Jordan is a religious and conservative country.[1]

Islam in Social Life pre-1980s[edit]

Despite a strong identification with and loyalty to Islam, religious practices varied among segments of Jordan's population. This unevenness in practice did not necessarily correlate with a rural-urban division or differing levels of education. The religious observance of some Jordanians was marked by beliefs and practices that were sometimes antithetical to the teachings of Islam. Authorities attributed at least some of these elements to pre-Islamic beliefs and customs common to the area.

In daily life, neither rural dwellers nor urbanites were overly fatalistic. They did not directly hold God responsible for all occurrences; rather, they placed events in a religious context that imbued them with meaning. The expression inshallah (God willing) often accompanied statements of intention, and the term bismallah (in the name of God) accompanied the performance of most important actions. Such pronouncements did not indicate a ceding of control over one's life or events. Jordanian Muslims generally believed that in matters that they could control, God expected them to work diligently.

Muslims have other ways of invoking God's presence in daily life. Despite Islam's unequivocal teaching that God is one and that no being resembles him in sanctity, some people accepted the notion that certain persons (saints) have baraka, a special quality of personal holiness and affinity to God. The intercession of these beings was believed to help in all manner of trouble, and shrines to such people could be found in some localities. Devotees often visited the shrine of their patron, especially seeking relief from illness or inability to have children.

Islam in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Jordan.

I really wish you would call enough is enough on these posts. When not doing this random rinse and repeat stuff you are an engaging poster.

 

[paarsurrey]

Generalizations are wrong . Islam most flourishes in peace. It is a peaceful religion.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I really wish you would call enough is enough on these posts. When not doing this random rinse and repeat stuff you are an engaging poster.

Thanks for your appreciation. You are most welcome.
Regards

 

[icehorse]

Generalizations are wrong . Islam most flourishes in peace. It is a peaceful religion.

Regards

I'm still curious to understand your opinion about the genocide of the Hindus that occurred between about 1000 and 1600? As I recall, about 80 million Hindus were murdered by Muslim conquerors...

 

[Sees]

Generalizations are wrong . Islam most flourishes in peace. It is a peaceful religion.

Regards

Exclusivist religions are only peaceful for stretches at a time...inevitably birthing people who feel they have to purify, fix, make right for the exclusive "power/s that be" - depending on conditions like numbers, strength, additional motives, charismatic leaders, etc.

Many lives would have been better, would have been spared, if Islam was less exclusive and more peaceful.

Imagine the better, lengthier lives of your fellow Ahmadis if they lived among pagans like me....crazy huh? It's not a coincidence that there would be a complete lack of beatings, jailings, legal restrictions, murders, etc. based on difference of religious belief and practices.

What is Islam peaceful in comparison against? It's a minefield of potential conflict, suffering, prejudice compared to most other religions. If something is on the bottom of a list for a certain quality, we usually don't promote it as particularly or specially representative of said quality.

 

[outhouse]

I'm still curious to understand your opinion about the genocide of the Hindus that occurred between about 1000 and 1600? As I recall, about 80 million Hindus were murdered by Muslim conquerors...

Trained to avoid and ignore the negative in any aspects even possible negative aspects and play into only positive.

I know you know this, it juts needs to be said again

 

[icehorse]

Trained to avoid and ignore the negative in any aspects even possible negative aspects and play into only positive.

I know you know this, it juts needs to be said again

I know you know I know this, and I thought mine needed to be asked again

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Thanks for your appreciation. You are most welcome.
Regards

Islam is a religion of terrorism
In Jordan there is intellectual terrorism
Speak not to criticize any acts of Muhammad
Islamic extremists in Jordan
If lid us help Jordan will know the meaning of my words
And Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is of Jordan
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I'm still curious to understand your opinion about the genocide of the Hindus that occurred between about 1000 and 1600? As I recall, about 80 million Hindus were murdered by Muslim conquerors...

Awesome information
How do I get these sources
Hindus don't they speak much
You do this with Islam
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Trained to avoid and ignore the negative in any aspects even possible negative aspects and play into only positive.

I know you know this, it juts needs to be said again

The positive is that they declare your history to the world
Because negativity is hide history
I'm with you on the same suffering
Numbers are not registered
But since it Islam came to Iraq, he ruined and destroyed civilization origin
And eliminated
He was the heir of those civilizations
But religion does not know civilization
It feeds on civilizations and break
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[icehorse]

Awesome information
How do I get these sources
Hindus don't they speak much
You do this with Islam
​

Persecution of Hindus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[paarsurrey]

Was Islam spread by the sword?

No.

For example:

Spread of Islam in Jordan: [2]

More than 92 percent of population in Jordan adhered to Sunni Islam in the late 1980s. Although observance was not always orthodox, devotion to and identification with the faith was high. Islam was the established religion, and as such its institutions received government support.

Islam in Social Life pre-1980s[edit]

Numerous spiritual creatures were believed to inhabit the world. Evil spirits known as jinn — fiery, intelligent beings that are capable of appearing in human and other forms — could cause all sorts of malicious mischief. For protection, villagers carried in their clothing bits of paper inscribed with Qur'anic verses (amulets), and they frequently pronounced the name of God. A copy of the Qur'an was said to keep a house safe from jinn. The "evil eye" also could be foiled by the same means. Although any literate Muslim was able to prepare amulets, some persons gained reputations as being particularly skilled in prescribing and preparing them.

To underscore the difficulty in drawing a fine distinction between orthodox and popular Islam, one only need note that some religious shaykhs were sought for their ability to prepare successful amulets. For example, in the 1980s in a village in northern Jordan, two elderly shaykhs (who also were brothers) were famous for their abilities in specific areas: one was skilled in warding off illness among children; the other was sought for his skills in curing infertility.

Their reverence for Islam notwithstanding, Muslims did not always practice strict adherence to the five pillars. Although most people tried to give the impression that they fulfilled their religious duties, many people did not fast during Ramadan. They generally avoided breaking the fast in public, however. In addition, most people did not contribute the required proportion of alms to support religious institutions, nor was pilgrimage to Mecca common.

Attendance at public prayers and prayer in general increased during the 1980s as part of a regional concern with strengthening Islamic values and beliefs.
Traditionally, social segregation of the sexes prevented women from participating in much of the formal religious life of the community. The 1980s brought several changes in women's religious practices. Younger women, particularly university students, were seen more often praying in the mosques and could be said to have carved a place for themselves in the public domain of Islam.

Although some women in the late 1980s resorted to unorthodox practices and beliefs, women generally were considered more religiously observant than men. They fasted more than men and prayed more regularly in the home. Education, particularly of women, diminished the folk-religious component of belief and practice and probably enhanced observance of the more orthodox aspects of Islam.

Islam in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Jordan.

Regards

 

[Flankerl]

The funny thing is that OP tries to disprove the "Spread of Islam through warfare" by showing us examples of Areas that were conquered by Muslims and their devine warfare.

If OP would just concentrate on those countries who converted due to trade with Muslim countries everything would be alright.

 

[1robin]

The funny thing is that OP tries to disprove the "Spread of Islam through warfare" by showing us examples of Areas that were conquered by Muslims and their devine warfare.

If OP would just concentrate on those countries who converted due to trade with Muslim countries everything would be alright.

Think he is on autopilot.

 

[jonathan180iq]

History is a useful tool but it has its limitations and obvious errors.

Isn't it?

Regards

Certainly. However, when multiple sources, who are not constrained by the bias of trying to "save face" record an event, do you not consider those sources a good indicator of reality?

The whole of world History is not conspired to speak ill of Islam. The goal of Historians is to record events. They record events that are terrible and they record events that are awesome. They also inject their own opinion as to the cause of those events, but we don't have to pay any attention to that part.

Here's another question - if you're going to reject Historical records as flawed because "to err is human' - then will you admit to your overwhelming positivity bias towards Islam?

 

[1robin]

Awesome information
How do I get these sources
Hindus don't they speak much
You do this with Islam
​

That event is common knowledge. I believe it is the worst genocide in history and can be found in common encyclopedias and wiki.

 

[Flankerl]

Certainly. However, when multiple sources, who are not constrained by the bias of trying to "save face" record an event, do you not consider those sources a good indicator of reality?

The whole of world History is not conspired to speak ill of Islam. The goal of Historians is to record events. They record events that are terrible and they record events that are awesome. They also inject their own opinion as to the cause of those events, but we don't have to pay any attention to that part.

Here's another question - if you're going to reject Historical records as flawed because "to err is human' - then will you admit to your overwhelming positivity bias towards Islam?

That's ridiculous. There is no indication what so ever that a few thousand Muslim riders couldn't beat tens of thousand and even hundreds of thousand Eastern Roman Soldiers during their first invasions into Syria-Palaestina.

Really Muslim sources on these battles are the most hilarious thing you will ever read. The Muslims are always at an incredible disatvantage and yet slaughter their enemies almost every single time to the last man.


Totally not biased and nothing wrong here.

 

[jonathan180iq]

That event is common knowledge. I believe it is the worst genocide in history and can be found in common encyclopedias and wiki.

In response to who you're responding to:

Look this stuff up

• Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE)
• Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192)
• Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526)

And that only covers 500 years...

I'd like Paarsurrey to give his explanation of how Islam became so prominent in Northern India - or maybe give us a little insight into the spread of Islam across North Africa and some background on the spread of it into Portugal and Spain, which had a hand in creating European racism towards brown and darker colored skin tones in... It's all History - but it all happened.

Christian History doesn't act like the atrocities of the Crusades never happened. I don't understand why this certain faith is so insecure about admitting things like this.