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Was Islam spread by the sword?

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gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
paarsurrey said:
This is no allotment of estate or right to any property to anybody. No courts would accept such rights.
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I didn't say that I believe the story or think it is legally acceptable. I think the whole story is a myth, not history, so yes, it wouldn't be acceptable in any courtroom. The whole story about from Adam to Joshua is a myth, it never happened, because there no evidences for the creation of Adam, nor any evidence that support that the Israelites left slavery Egypt and invaded Canaan 40 years later.

You are confusing with understanding the story and history.

I am telling that you don't fricking understand the story that's being told in those 6 books. You certainly didn't understand the verses you had quoted (Deuteronomy 20:1-17, back at post 2332), because you are reading those 17 verses out of context, without understanding why they invaded Canaan in the first place.

My disagreement is not about if the fulfilling the covenant between God and Abraham (which would include invading Canaan) were legally "justifiable", but whether you understand the whole story at all.

Is Muhammad's story about him meeting angel Gabriel any more credible than Allah creating the world in 6 days and creating Adam?

Does Muhammad have any more legal justification in marching his army throughout the Arabian peninsula to force other tribes to accept his new religion than that of Joshua invading Canaan?

Time and again, you show lack of scholarship in comprehending what you read.

BTW, if those 6 books are not history, that means the Qur'an version about Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael and Moses are also not history. In your feeble attempts to discredit the bible, you are only succeeding in undermining the credibility of the Qur'an. By discrediting the bible, you put the Qur'an under the spotlight and question the credibility of the Qur'an and your prophet. So go ahead, discredit the bible.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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gnostic said:
I didn't say that I believe the story or think it is legally acceptable. I think the whole story is a myth, not history, so yes, it wouldn't be acceptable in any courtroom. The whole story about from Adam to Joshua is a myth, it never happened, because there no evidences for the creation of Adam, nor any evidence that support that the Israelites left slavery Egypt and invaded Canaan 40 years later.
You are confusing with understanding the story and history.
I am telling that you don't fricking understand the story that's being told in those 6 books. You certainly didn't understand the verses you had quoted (Deuteronomy 20:1-17, back at post 2332), because you are reading those 17 verses out of context, without understanding why they invaded Canaan in the first place.
My disagreement is not about if the fulfilling the covenant between God and Abraham (which would include invading Canaan) were legally "justifiable", but whether you understand the whole story at all.
Is Muhammad's story about him meeting angel Gabriel any more credible than Allah creating the world in 6 days and creating Adam?
Does Muhammad have any more legal justification in marching his army throughout the Arabian peninsula to force other tribes to accept his new religion than that of Joshua invading Canaan?
Time and again, you show lack of scholarship in comprehending what you read.
BTW, if those 6 books are not history, that means the Qur'an version about Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael and Moses are also not history. In your feeble attempts to discredit the bible, you are only succeeding in undermining the credibility of the Qur'an. By discrediting the bible, you put the Qur'an under the spotlight and question the credibility of the Qur'an and your prophet. So go ahead, discredit the bible.
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Then why at all should you support a thing you don't think is reasonable?
Let somebody who believes in it and are thinks it to be legal or reasonable. Please
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gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
paarsurrey said:
Then why at all should you support a thing you don't think is reasonable?
Let somebody who believes in it and are thinks it to be legal or reasonable. Please
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You still don't get it, do you?

It is not so much as being reasonable or legal, as to comprehending what are written.

I am not even talking "believing" what you are reading. I will repeat again, "understanding" and "believing" are two different words - sometimes they go together, but sometimes they don't.

You don't understand the full story to the invasion of Canaan, because you are totally ignoring that God ordered Joshua and the Israelite army to invade and take land (Canaan), and promised them victories in their conquest.

Are you going to ignore the covenant given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

If you do, there is no hope of you learning anything from I say.

Ignorance must be bliss for you.
 
Moishe3rd

Moishe3rd

Yehudi
paarsurrey said:
Thanks.
Islam/Quran/Muhammad is peaceful and a pragmatic religion and used sword sparingly against the aggressors who denied freedom of religion to Muhammad and his followers.
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Well yes, unless it's not which is unfortunately the case for a few hundred million Muslims today.
You really need to address that problem too....
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
paarsurrey said:
Then why at all should you support a thing you don't think is reasonable?
Let somebody who believes in it and are thinks it to be legal or reasonable. Please
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So you cannot read and understand some books, unless you can believe in them?

Sorry, but that demonstrate poor or very narrow scholarship.

Have you ever read the Lord of the Rings (LotR), paarsurrey? Or any other fictions?

I read LotR mainly for what you would call "entertainment", because I enjoy reading the story. So it is important to understand what I am reading, if I am to enjoy reading this book. I don't read the LotR because I believe these characters, places and story-line/plot are REAL, paarsurrey. And there are many such novels that I enjoy reading, and "believing" in what I read is not important factor.

I simply enjoy read this story, but there are no way that I can enjoy it, if I don't understand what I am reading.

I can read many different types of literature. I can like what I read or dislike what I read. I can believe or not believe in what I am reading. But whether I like or not, or whether I can believe or not believe in what I am reading, in all matter it is important to understand what I am reading.

So it is important (to me, at least), to understand what I am reading, even if I dislike or hate the books, or disagree with them, or not believe in them.
 
RAYYAN

RAYYAN

Proud Muslim
Moishe3rd said:
Well yes, unless it's not which is unfortunately the case for a few hundred million Muslims today.
You really need to address that problem too....
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What does the highlighted word means? 100,000,000 is this right? if so, where you got it from?
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Antigua and Barbuda:

The statistics for Islam in Antigua and Barbuda estimate a total Muslim population of about 200, representing 0.3 percent of the total population of 67,448.[1]Most of the Muslim of the islands are Arabs of Syrian or Lebanese descent. There are two known Islamic organizations in St. John's, including the Antigua and Barbuda International Islamic Society and the American University of Antigua (School of Medicine)Muslim Students Association. There is also an Ahmadiyya Muslim mission in Antigua.[2]Outside of St. John's, there is the Muslim Community of Antigua and Barbuda in Codrington, Barbuda.

Antigua and Barbudahave yet to establish a propermosque, Islamic centre or institutions for Muslims in the country. The proposed site of the first mosque to be constructed by the Antigua and Barbuda International Islamic Society (ABIIS) is located on American Road in St. John's. Currently the location used for a mosque is a small hut which could accommodate about thirty individuals and is available for Friday prayers, the five daily salat, the two Eids and qurbani.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Antigua_and_Barbuda

Country/Region: Antigua and Barbuda
Muslim population 2010 Pew Report: < 1,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report: 0.6%
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report :< 0.1 %

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Antigua and Barbuda:
Please correct me if I am wrong.

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paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Post #2362 #2365 #2368
The covenant with Jews for allotment of lands is just a fiction created by the narrators/scribes/clergy to motivate Jews for occupations of lands belonging to others. Why should one support it?
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Moishe3rd

Moishe3rd

Yehudi
RAYYAN said:
What does the highlighted word means? 100,000,000 is this right? if so, where you got it from?
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According to all polls, including those taken by Arab and Muslim pollsters, ten percent of the Muslim world agree that killing people in the Name of Allah is required of Islam and that this belief justifies the murders and destruction that has been ongoing for the last 100 years or so.
Which is, today, well over 100,000,000 Muslims.
 
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