Was Jesus a Christian ?

[Limo]

So i have refuted your points? If not please state the objections you have about my quotes and exegesis of the gospel material.

Not exactly, It's different perspective as I explained. In some cases, you did.
In some cases, you've explanations for statements different from direct interpretation of text. (I've addressed it quickly in previous posts #89)
The discussion about understanding of these statements will not end.
I'll raise a question to all people interested in the OP.

Regards

 

[Henry :)]

Hi Limo!

I think that f you were to ask almost any historian, they will tell you that Jesus was a Jew. I recommend this fantastic book "Zealot - The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth" by Reza Aslan (Scholar of Religions for over twenty years and he's also a Muslim).

All the best,
Henry

 

[Dave Smith]

Of course Jesus is not a Christian but he is Christian as defined by what he is i.e. the foundation of Christianity and the fulfillment of al that it means to be Christian. A Christian is defined as someone who must put their faith in Jesus to acquire salvation and all that bestows. Jesus did not require salvation he was the salvation, he already had all the authority, power and glory and access to all the resources of heaven just by asking the Father. Christians follow Christ Jesus does not follow himself he followed the Father until he was given full authority over heaven and earth. He is Christ and we are Christs followers i.e. Christians.

 

[Limo]

Hi Limo!

I think that f you were to ask almost any historian, they will tell you that Jesus was a Jew. I recommend this fantastic book "Zealot - The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth" by Reza Aslan (Scholar of Religions for over twenty years and he's also a Muslim).

All the best,
Henry

Hi Henry
Thank for info and the guidance to the book.
It was questions to pay Christians attention to the issue. They believe and practice non-Messianic relegion not connected to Jesus
Regards

 

[Ben Avraham]

Of course Jesus is not a Christian but he is Christian as defined by what he is i.e. the foundation of Christianity and the fulfillment of al that it means to be Christian. A Christian is defined as someone who must put their faith in Jesus to acquire salvation and all that bestows. Jesus did not require salvation he was the salvation, he already had all the authority, power and glory and access to all the resources of heaven just by asking the Father. Christians follow Christ Jesus does not follow himself he followed the Father until he was given full authority over heaven and earth. He is Christ and we are Christs followers i.e. Christians.

The man who threw the foundations of Christianity was Paul if you read Acts 11:26. Jesus never even dreamed Christianity would ever rise. Nevertheless, what Jesus said is that to acquire salvation, we must listen to "Moses" aka the Law if you read Luke 16:29-31. In this text Jesus implied that salvation resides in the obedience of God's Law. Jesus followed the Father, you say. Since the Father was the One Who gave the Law to be obeyed, Jesus was in tune with God's will as the Law was concerned. If you were Christ's follower you would listen to "Moses" aka the Law. That's what Jesus meant. Paul was the opposite of this when he said that he had been released from the Law which had been abolished on the cross. (Romans 7:6; 10:4; Ephesians 2:15) Christians in general follow Paul and that's the bottom line.

 

[Limo]

Of course Jesus is not a Christian but he is Christian as defined by what he is i.e. the foundation of Christianity and the fulfillment of al that it means to be Christian. A Christian is defined as someone who must put their faith in Jesus to acquire salvation and all that bestows. Jesus did not require salvation he was the salvation, he already had all the authority, power and glory and access to all the resources of heaven just by asking the Father. Christians follow Christ Jesus does not follow himself he followed the Father until he was given full authority over heaven and earth. He is Christ and we are Christs followers i.e. Christians.

A religion is a comprehensive belief, rites, duties, teachings. Same is applicable on Christianity.
The issue is the supposed to be leader/founder/example of Christianity Jesus-Christ have no connections to any of "Christianity" belief, rites, duties, and teaching according to New Testimony

 

[Ben Avraham]

Of course Jesus is not a Christian but he is Christian as defined by what he is i.e. the foundation of Christianity and the fulfillment of al that it means to be Christian. A Christian is defined as someone who must put their faith in Jesus to acquire salvation and all that bestows. Jesus did not require salvation he was the salvation, he already had all the authority, power and glory and access to all the resources of heaven just by asking the Father. Christians follow Christ Jesus does not follow himself he followed the Father until he was given full authority over heaven and earth. He is Christ and we are Christs followers i.e. Christians.

I know; Jesus is dead and, a dead can't be any thing other than dead. (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6) Now, you got me! You say, "Jesus is not a Christian but he is Christian as defined by what he is." I hope you mean by what he was. He was define as a Jew and, the definition of a Jew is the opposite of a Christian. Are you all right! Nevertheless, Jesus said that to acquire salvation, one must listen to "Moses" aka the Law, and this is not Christian at all.

 

[MJFlores]

We Muslims have been in many debates with Christians about 2 main cases :

• How come Islam claims that previous profits including Jesus were Muslims?
• Another group confirms without hesitation that Jesus would call Islam a serious heresy.

Let us do a simple practice to find out Jesus's answer from Gospels only.

The answer criteria should be with 2 conditions:

• Copy & Past statements from Gospels only
• It should be Jesus himself words only from his mouth not somebody Else's words

Following are the questions :

• What is his belief in Almighty , one or two or three persons ?
• What law Jesus practiced ? how similar this law to Islamic one ?
• Was he circumcised ?
• Did he put his head on ground and cry to God for Help ? Is it like Judaic, and/or Christian, and/or Islamic prayer ?
  
• Did he ever say "God is Trinity with 3 persons" ?
  
• Did he ever went to a Church ?
• Did he believe in Crucifixion , Resurrection ?
• Did he ever respect/kiss/hang a cross ?
• Did he ever pray to his mother Mary ?
• Did he say/read/authenticate the 4 Gospels and the books ?
• Did he create/practice all the Sacraments of the Church ?
• Did he ask someone to confess to a priest to get forgiveness ?
  
• ..... long list

If you answer these questions honestly and neutrally, you'll find out to which party Al-Maseh is connected ?

• What is his belief in Almighty , one or two or three persons ?

The Father alone is God - John 17:1-3

• What law Jesus practiced ? how similar this law to Islamic one ?

Jesus practiced the Law of Moses

• Was he circumcised ?

Yes Luke 2:21

• Did he put his head on ground and cry to God for Help ? Is it like Judaic, and/or Christian, and/or Islamic prayer ?

Lifted his eyes to heaven John 17:1

• Did he ever say "God is Trinity with 3 persons" ?

He did not - (this is an invented doctrine)

• Did he ever went to a Church ?

He went to the synagogue. He said he will build his church Matt 16:18

• Did he believe in Crucifixion , Resurrection ?

Yes Matthew 17:21-23

• Did he ever respect/kiss/hang a cross ?

He did not Luke 22:48 - (this is an invented doctrine)

• Did he ever pray to his mother Mary ?

He did not - (this is an invented doctrine)

• Did he say/read/authenticate the 4 Gospels and the books ?

Yes Mark 8:35

• Did he create/practice all the Sacraments of the Church ?

He did not - (this is an invented doctrine)

• Did he ask someone to confess to a priest to get forgiveness ?

He did not - (this is an invented doctrine)

 

[Limo]

• What is his belief in Almighty , one or two or three persons ?

The Father alone is God - John 17:1-3

• What law Jesus practiced ? how similar this law to Islamic one ?

Jesus practiced the Law of Moses

• Was he circumcised ?

Yes Luke 2:21

• Did he put his head on ground and cry to God for Help ? Is it like Judaic, and/or Christian, and/or Islamic prayer ?

Lifted his eyes to heaven John 17:1

• Did he ever say "God is Trinity with 3 persons" ?

He did not - (this is an invented doctrine)

• Did he ever went to a Church ?

He went to the synagogue. He said he will build his church Matt 16:18

• Did he believe in Crucifixion , Resurrection ?

Yes Matthew 17:21-23

• Did he ever respect/kiss/hang a cross ?

He did not Luke 22:48 - (this is an invented doctrine)

• Did he ever pray to his mother Mary ?

He did not - (this is an invented doctrine)

• Did he say/read/authenticate the 4 Gospels and the books ?

Yes Mark 8:35

• Did he create/practice all the Sacraments of the Church ?

He did not - (this is an invented doctrine)

• Did he ask someone to confess to a priest to get forgiveness ?

He did not - (this is an invented doctrine)

These are honest answers
The 2 questions you've answered with "yes" needs to be discussed
The first one about crucifixation and resurrection, there is nothing about crucifixation at all
Regarding the 4 Gospels, Mark 8:35 is about a Gospel which is Al-Masseh's Gospel not related to Mathew, Mark, Luke,and John
If you assess these answers you'll find very weak connection between Jesus in Gospels and what is called Christianity.
Are you a Christian? Which Church?
Regards

 

[Dave Smith]

I know; Jesus is dead and, a dead can't be any thing other than dead. (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6) Now, you got me! You say, "Jesus is not a Christian but he is Christian as defined by what he is." I hope you mean by what he was. He was define as a Jew and, the definition of a Jew is the opposite of a Christian. Are you all right! Nevertheless, Jesus said that to acquire salvation, one must listen to "Moses" aka the Law, and this is not Christian at all.

Jesus is not a Christian because he is not a follower of Christ and does not require salvation thru faith in himself, but he is Christian in that he leads Christian values. He was a Jew because he was Hebrew but was not jewish because he did not follow the life of a Jew. Jesus is alive, you can say he is dead since you don't believe that he is alive, so of course dead is the only conclusion you can allow. The bible clearly states that Jesus rose from the dead, ascended to heaven and took authority over heaven and earth - he is the living God.

 

[metis]

He was a Jew because he was Hebrew but was not jewish because he did not follow the life of a Jew.

Being a "Jew" is a nationality, not a religion.

The bible clearly states that Jesus rose from the dead, ascended to heaven and took authority over heaven and earth - he is the living God.

Only if one accepts the Christian Bible as authoritative and accurate.

 

[Dave Smith]

Being a "Jew" is a nationality, not a religion.

cobblers, Jews are descendants of Israel (Jacob) and part of the nation of Israel and Judah and under the covenant of the religion of Judaism or the jewish religion. in modern times the nation has been called israel and the religion Judaism

Only if one accepts the Christian Bible as authoritative and accurate.

Clearly

Being a "Jew" is a nationality, not a religion.

Only if one accepts the Christian Bible as authoritative and accurate.

 

[Dave Smith]

Clearly

 

[Ben Avraham]

Jesus is not a Christian because he is not a follower of Christ and does not require salvation thru faith in himself, but he is Christian in that he leads Christian values. He was a Jew because he was Hebrew but was not jewish because he did not follow the life of a Jew. Jesus is alive, you can say he is dead since you don't believe that he is alive, so of course dead is the only conclusion you can allow. The bible clearly states that Jesus rose from the dead, ascended to heaven and took authority over heaven and earth - he is the living God.

Jesus did not lead Christian values. Christian values were attributed to him by Paul and the fathers of the Church. Jesus never even dreamed Christianity would ever rise. It is your Bible that clearly states Jesus rose from the dead. Jesus' Bible was the Tanach which states that there is no resurrection if you read II Samuel 12:23; Psalm 49:12,20; Isaiah 26:14; Job 7:9; etc. Jesus is dead and, if just for that, he could not be the living God.