Was Jesus born on Christmas?

[peacecrusader888]

Part 5 – Circumcision of John the Baptist

When did the circumcision and naming of the child of Zechariah and Elisabeth occur? The child, John the Baptist, was circumcised on his eighth day in accordance with Jewish tradition (Genesis 17:12, 21:4; Leviticus 12:3). This could have occurred on the 24th, 25th, 26th, or 27th of November. I chose the 25th because it is the date the spirit of Ama said that we conduct the annual “Blessing of the Children”. We actually do not know why the blessing has to be on this date. Only after the naming ceremony was Zechariah able to speak again (Luke 1:57-79).

As a Christian, a child is not circumciszed to be named. Among Jews, circumcision has to be performed to name a child.

The naming , at least to Christians, is now called baptism.

 

[Norman]

Props to you for knowing the philosophy behind the term! While I agree with this, I will also point out that some Stoics posited that the Logos, this principle that orders and animates the universe, was God Himself. This Stoic interpretation of the Logos more than likely influenced Philo of Alexandria, and most certainly influenced the Gospel of John.

Norman: Hi Shiranui117, Well said

 

[peacecrusader888]

Part 6 – Stay at Elisabeth’s home

Joseph and Mary stayed with them in their home for the next three months (34 BC 08-28 to 11-26) (Luke 1:56; Pasiong Mahal, page 19). Why did they stay this long at Hebron? Foremost, Mary wanted to ascertain that Elisabeth would really give birth to a son and a human being as announced to her by Archangel Gabriel. Secondly, they could be of assistance to Elisabeth’s giving birth to her first and only child. And thirdly, they lived far away in the north, in Nazareth.

Luke 1:56 states: “And Mary abode with her about three months”. Pasiong Mahal on page 19 states that Mary did not leave after more than two months. So the date of their departure must be before 11-28 which was exactly three months from 08-28.

 

[peacecrusader888]

Part 7 – Return of Joseph and Mary to Nazareth from Elisabeth’s home

After ascertaining the birth and the naming of the child, John, of Zechariah and Elisabeth, Joseph and Mary left for their home in Nazareth because winter was about to set in and it would be rainy and cold on the way. All the time (08-28 to 11-26) that Mary was in Hebron, Joseph was with her. She would not have flirted with any of the locals since she had her old espoused husband with her and she really would like to remain chaste even though she lived with Joseph.

 

[hispanicmormon]

Mormons believe that Jesus was born on April 6, which is also the birthday of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

[peacecrusader888]

Mormons believe that Jesus was born on April 6, which is also the birthday of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

@hispanicmormon
Is April 6 what Joseph Smith said as to the birth of Jesus? Could you please prove that April 6 is correct? Which year?

 

[Katzpur]

@hispanicmormon
Is April 6 what Joseph Smith said as to the birth of Jesus? Could you please prove that April 6 is correct? Which year?

Nobody can prove the date on which Jesus Christ was born. And why does it really matter?

 

[hispanicmormon]

The only proof is modern day revelation. But you have to take that with faith.

 

[peacecrusader888]

Nobody can prove the date on which Jesus Christ was born. And why does it really matter?

@Katzpur
The Holy Bible guides us when it happened. Another thing is that the spirit of Ama told us the date: 05-23. I was able to prove that He is correct. FYI, He was 32 solar years old when He was crucified, and not 33 as commonly believed.

Does it matter if we know the date? Yes, it does. We will know among the different religions which is telling the truth.

 

[peacecrusader888]

The only proof is modern day revelation. But you have to take that with faith.

@hispanicmormon
Which is “modern day revelation”? Joseph Smith’s? And “you have to take that with faith”? How about if he is proven wrong? Will you believe him?

 

[hispanicmormon]

There's no way you can prove something wrong if it's something you have to have faith to believe in. No one can prove what day Jesus was born. You seem to make this a personal thing. Will I believe him personally? Well, I believe he was a prophet so I do believe him to a certain degree.

 

[Katzpur]

@Katzpur
The Holy Bible guides us when it happened.

The Bible does not give us an exact date.

Another thing is that the spirit of Ama told us the date: 05-23.

What is the spirit of Ama?

I was able to prove that He is correct.

When and how did you do that?

FYI, He was 32 solar years old when He was crucified, and not 33 as commonly believed.

Whatever.

Does it matter if we know the date? Yes, it does.

Well, it may matter to you, but it doesn't to me. In my opinion, there are things of much greater importance than knowing this date.

We will know among the different religions which is telling the truth.

Yes, we will. And we will continue to disagree.

 

[peacecrusader888]

There's no way you can prove something wrong if it's something you have to have faith to believe in. No one can prove what day Jesus was born. You seem to make this a personal thing. Will I believe him personally? Well, I believe he was a prophet so I do believe him to a certain degree.

@hispanicmormon
So you think that Jesus Christ “was a prophet” and you “believe him to a certain degree.” By being a prophet, you believe that Jesus Christ was just a human being and not God, am I correct?

I am a non-denominational Christian, a plain follower of Jesus Christ. I believe that He is God, the Father Himself. That is why in John 10:30, He said, “I and my Father are one.” In Revelation 22:16, God revealed who He is. He is Jesus Christ!

Please read in English Sermon 006 - The pauper in disguise titled “The pauper in disguise”. The original text in Filipino is in http://aristean.org/transcript498.htm and http://aristean.org/transcript499.htm . You can hear the spirit of Ama in http://aristean.org/d16a-pah9.mp3 and http://aristean.org/d16a-pah10.mp3 said these transcripts.

 

[Katzpur]

@hispanicmormon
So you think that Jesus Christ “was a prophet” and you “believe him to a certain degree.” By being a prophet, you believe that Jesus Christ was just a human being and not God, am I correct?

You clearly misunderstood hispanicmormon, peacecrusader. Without even knowing him personally, I can guarantee 100% that when he said "he was a prophet," he was referring to Joseph Smith and not to Jesus Christ. Mormons absolutely believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and the Redeemer of the world. We do not believe He was merely a prophet.

[/quote]I am a non-denominational Christian, a plain follower of Jesus Christ. I believe that He is God, the Father Himself. That is why in John 10:30, He said, “I and my Father are one.” In Revelation 22:16, God revealed who He is. He is Jesus Christ![/quote]Are you saying that Jesus Christ is His own Father?

 

[peacecrusader888]

What is the spirit of Ama?

Ama is a spirit, a holy spirit, THE Holy Spirit, if you will believe it. Most, if not all, of His listeners, believe that He is Jesus Christ Himself. We (plural) can not see Him, but we can hear Him loud and clear. We record on audio tape our conversations with Him which we call Sessions.

The word “ama” in the Philippine language means “father”. When capitalized, that is, “Ama”, it refers to “God the Father”. We call Him Ama and He calls us His children.

I first heard Him in 1983 when I first went to the Session Hall. I doubted that He is Jesus Christ for eleven years (1983-1994). You may read my aboutface in http://aristean.org/wp113.htm titled “From doubt to belief”.

Although I believed in 1994 that the spirit who we talk to is Jesus Christ, I said in 1999 that if He is wrong in His revelations that Jesus Christ was born on 05-23 and died on 08-17, I would recant my belief in Him and declare Him to be a fraud. I learned these revelations from older listeners in 1983. In my studies from 1999 to 2006 using mainly the Holy Bible, I was able to prove that both of them are true and correct. They reinforced my belief in Him. Who can know these two ancient dates? Only God!

Because I myself have proven them, I am enthusiastic to share what I discovered. As 2 Corinthians 4:13 states, “I believed, and therefore have I spoken.”

After my study in 2003, I still get proofs that Jesus was really crucified in August and not in March or April, in summer and not in spring. The latest was last year, 2014, where I read in John 21:7, “Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher’s coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.” If it was spring, do you think Simon Peter would be naked at 6 or 7 in the morning and “did cast himself into the sea”?

One thing that I like in Him is that He does not force people to believe Him. He does not ask us to abandon our church affiliation. Most are Roman Catholics but there are others who belong to other faiths. There is at least one person I know who was a Muslim. People may just pick out what is good and discard what is not.

 

[peacecrusader888]

The Bible does not give us an exact date.

What is the spirit of Ama?

When and how did you do that?

Whatever.

Well, it may matter to you, but it doesn't to me. In my opinion, there are things of much greater importance than knowing this date.

Yes, we will. And we will continue to disagree.

@Katzpur
Yes, the Holy Bible “does not give us an exact date” but it guides us when it happened, such as the sabbath, oratory, New Moon Festival, etc.

I did the studies on the birth and crucifixion of Jesus using the revelations of the spirit of Ama that Jesus was born on 05-23 and died on 08-17 using mainly the Holy Bible from 1999 to 2006. I found both dates are correct. The results of the studies are on the Internet in Revelation and Proofs: Jesus Christ was born on May 23, 33 B.C. and CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS CHRIST .

I believe that the correct dates of the birth and death of Jesus will tell us which religious groups are telling the truth and which are not.

 

[peacecrusader888]

You clearly misunderstood hispanicmormon, peacecrusader. Without even knowing him personally, I can guarantee 100% that when he said "he was a prophet," he was referring to Joseph Smith and not to Jesus Christ. Mormons absolutely believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and the Redeemer of the world. We do not believe He was merely a prophet.

I am a non-denominational Christian, a plain follower of Jesus Christ. I believe that He is God, the Father Himself. That is why in John 10:30, He said, “I and my Father are one.” In Revelation 22:16, God revealed who He is. He is Jesus Christ![/quote]Are you saying that Jesus Christ is His own Father? [/QUOTE]
@Katzpur
I think hispanicmormon should answer my question to know what he thinks of Jesus Christ.

So you think “that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and the Redeemer of the world”. Is it impossible for God to make Himself into three as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

 

[Katzpur]

I think hispanicmormon should answer my question to know what he thinks of Jesus Christ.

Well, that's up to him. If he does answer, though, I can pretty much guarantee that he will answer exactly as I did. I think maybe you should answer my question: "Are you saying that Jesus Christ is His own Father?"

So you think “that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and the Redeemer of the world”.

Yes. Don't you?

Is it impossible for God to make Himself into three as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

When you have answered my question (in boldface blue above), I'll answer yours.

 

[peacecrusader888]

Well, that's up to him. If he does answer, though, I can pretty much guarantee that he will answer exactly as I did. I think maybe you should answer my question: "Are you saying that Jesus Christ is His own Father?"

Yes. Don't you?

When you have answered my question (in boldface blue above), I'll answer yours.

@Katzpur
Yes, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Father Himself. Is that impossible to God to make Himself into three as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

Now, what is your answer? He can make a dead person like Lazarus alive again, can’t He? He can make a few loaves of bread and a few fish to feed thousands of people.

 

[Katzpur]

@Katzpur
Yes, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Father Himself. Is that impossible to God to make Himself into three as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

Now, what is your answer? He can make a dead person like Lazarus alive again, can’t He? He can make a few loaves of bread and a few fish to feed thousands of people.

I don't believe that God "makes HImself" into anything, and I definitely don't believe that the same that Jesus Christ is His own Father. I believe that God is "Godhead" comprised of a divine Father, a divine Son and the Holy Ghost. Here's a thread in which I explain the LDS concept of God.