Was Muhammad the final prophet?

[BilliardsBall]

Muslims follow the teachings of Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him.

Because in my many years of conversing with Christians, I've learnt to double check the verses and understand the context.


The majority of Atheists in the West are from Christian backgrounds, and they having read the Bible reject it as being the 'word of God'. So either their criticism is valid, and indeed supported by many Western Scholars or they have all simply misunderstood the book. We can take a closer look at this if you like.


The Qur'an says it is a criterion over the previous Scriptures, hence what matches is accepted as being from God. All passages enjoining right and forbidding evil are also accepted as most likely being from God. Stories on creation and slander of Prophets are rejected as fabrications, and what remains is assessed case by case with a open mind.


Muslims follow the most important Commandments found in the Bible, as it is the same message since Adam and Eve, may God be pleased with them, were taught:

Worship GOD alone <<<< Most important of ALL the Commandments
Do not Kill, steal, commit adultery etc etc
The other thing we do is obey GOD when he tells Bible readers to follow His Prophets when He sends them, and anyone who doesn't will be held accountable.

Notice Jews reject Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them.
Christians reject Muhammad pbuh

Only the Muslims accept all the Prophets without question.

Simple, those messages were for a 'certain' people during a specific period in History, whereas the Qur'an is for all time. Hence Islam is a complete way of life and covers all aspects of public and private life.

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The Qur'an says it is a criterion over the previous Scriptures, hence what matches is accepted as being from God.

That is circular. In jurisprudence, the first contract when established sets precedent. Just because the Qu'ran says, "the first document is wrong" is not enough. The Qu'ran does not match the Bible morally, authoritatively, via prophecy, etc.

 

[England my lionheart]

Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?

Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?

Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?

Quite interesting that there were other prophets around at the time of muhammed,mussailama al kazzab,killed by Abu bakr after syrrendering,saf son of sayyad,he repented,tulayha son of kwailhid,he repented,al ansi chop chop for him so they certainly did their best to cut out the competition.

 

[Muslim-UK]

That is circular. In jurisprudence, the first contract when established sets precedent. Just because the Qu'ran says, "the first document is wrong" is not enough.

Imagine ...

If Moses pbuh was told the Moon has a crust, mantle, core and over the course of Millions of years has been hit by Meteors time and again and he passed this information on to his people either through oral tradition or written form. The written form becomes lost over time and 1,000 years or so later Israelites come out of the Babylonian exile and decide to write down the teachings of Moses pbuh and other Prophets pbut.

One tasked with writing down parts of it tries to recall what Moses pbuh said about the Moon and writes down, 'The Moon is made of blue cheese'.

600 years or so later the Qur'an records the Moon has a crust, mantle and core.

According to you, the Qur'an is automatically wrong and should be disregarded, where as Science would show the Moon is not made of blue cheese. For this reason, where the texts disagree, we should examine the evidence to see which narration holds truth, don't you think?

The Qu'ran does not match the Bible morally, authoritatively, via prophecy, etc.

I'd be happy to compare what the two texts say on issues related to the treatment of non believers, women, slaves, captives of war and morality in general. On Prophecies, why is it we don't see anything about original sin being so grave that OD Himself would need to come in the future and die for the sins of the World by sacrificing Himself to Himself to please Himself over something He ordained in the first place.

Why did not one Prophet in the Torah ever mentioned GOD was not ONE as the Torah reiterates in different places but THREE? Using your logic, surely the NT disqualifies itself as it contradicts a earlier text on the nature of GOD?

 

[Muslim-UK]

Quite interesting that there were other prophets around at the time of muhammed,mussailama al kazzab,killed by Abu bakr after syrrendering,saf son of sayyad,he repented,tulayha son of kwailhid,he repented,al ansi chop chop for him so they certainly did their best to cut out the competition.

A Prophet from GOD will succeed no matter who his enemies are. True Prophets are aided by GOD with signs and clear proofs. What sign if any did these people bring forward or were they no different to the Prophets we see today; all talk and no evidence?

 

[YmirGF]

600 years or so later the Qur'an records the Moon has a crust, mantle and core.

Okay, you peaked my curiosity. I've read the multiple English translations of the Qur'an and cannot place the verse(s) you are alluding to.

Do tell.

 

[England my lionheart]

A Prophet from GOD will succeed no matter who his enemies are. True Prophets are aided by GOD with signs and clear proofs. What sign if any did these people bring forward or were they no different to the Prophets we see today; all talk and no evidence?

What sign has any prophet brought forward?,2 of the ones mentioned didn't get a chance to prophesize as the were killed by the companions,how do we know a real prophet,miracles,seeing into the future,a prophet could be anyone.

 

[Muslim-UK]

Okay, you peaked my curiosity. I've read the multiple English translations of the Qur'an and cannot place the verse(s) you are alluding to.

Do tell.

Sorry, that was a example using my imagination to illustrate a point.

Had the poster replied and pushed the issue, I would have given a real example to further illustrate my point:

does the Moon have it's own light?...

Isaiah 30:26

Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Eze 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

We know from Science, the Moon does not have it's own light, rather it's the light reflected from the Sun:

“Blessed is He Who made Constellations in the skies, And placed therein a Lamp And a Moon giving light.” Qur’an 25:61

Consider the following verses related to the nature of light from the Sun and the Moon:

“It is He who made the sun To be a shining glory And the moon to be a light (Of beauty).” Qur’an 10:5

“See ye not How Allah has created The seven heavens One above another, “And made the moon A light in their midst, and made the sun As a (Glorious) Lamp?” Qur’an 71:15-16

 

[Muslim-UK]

What sign has any prophet brought forward?,2 of the ones mentioned didn't get a chance to prophesize as the were killed by the companions,how do we know a real prophet,miracles,seeing into the future,a prophet could be anyone.

It is recorded that, Moses pbuh spilt the Sea, Jesus pbuh walked on water, raised the dead and Muhammad pbuh gave us a book filled with signs that anyone can read and hopefully conclude it did not originate from man, but must have been revealed from a Higher Source.

When people tried to kill Moses, Jesus and Muhammad pbut, GOD saved them from their plans. We have miracle workers today like Magicians, but they explain it is slight of hand and special effects to entertain people. There are also other people who claim to be Prophets from God, and we know they have little or no evidence to back up their claims.

 

[Hawkins]

Right ok, Moses pbuh. The Torah shows GOD sent Angels to communicate with Moses pbuh on His behalf. It is agreed he had a direct relationship of GOD, as did all the Prophets pbut.

So are we to assume the times he received revelation from Angels, he was a false Prophet?

What did Moses pbuh do with the revelation he received from GOD? Did he preserve it, and if so, how did he do that?

You are confused. God can send angels to anyone. That's not the point. Moses have direct encounters to God. That's the point. More importantly, reliable human witnessing are based on claims from eye-witnesses, not hearsay from an middle person (whether the middle person is an angel or not).

 

[England my lionheart]

It is recorded that, Moses pbuh spilt the Sea, Jesus pbuh walked on water, raised the dead and Muhammad pbuh gave us a book filled with signs that anyone can read and hopefully conclude it did not originate from man, but must have been revealed from a Higher Source.

When people tried to kill Moses, Jesus and Muhammad pbut, GOD saved them from their plans. We have miracle workers today like Magicians, but they explain it is slight of hand and special effects to entertain people. There are also other people who claim to be Prophets from God, and we know they have little or no evidence to back up their claims.

Because it is written doesn't mean its true,I'd love to meet
someone who could turn water into chateau la fite,yes there have been many claimed prophets,each one has the same validity to me.

 

[DavidFirth]

Imagine ...

If Moses pbuh was told the Moon has a crust, mantle, core and over the course of Millions of years has been hit by Meteors time and again and he passed this information on to his people either through oral tradition or written form. The written form becomes lost over time and 1,000 years or so later Israelites come out of the Babylonian exile and decide to write down the teachings of Moses pbuh and other Prophets pbut.

One tasked with writing down parts of it tries to recall what Moses pbuh said about the Moon and writes down, 'The Moon is made of blue cheese'.

600 years or so later the Qur'an records the Moon has a crust, mantle and core.

According to you, the Qur'an is automatically wrong and should be disregarded, where as Science would show the Moon is not made of blue cheese. For this reason, where the texts disagree, we should examine the evidence to see which narration holds truth, don't you think?



I'd be happy to compare what the two texts say on issues related to the treatment of non believers, women, slaves, captives of war and morality in general. On Prophecies, why is it we don't see anything about original sin being so grave that OD Himself would need to come in the future and die for the sins of the World by sacrificing Himself to Himself to please Himself over something He ordained in the first place.

Why did not one Prophet in the Torah ever mentioned GOD was not ONE as the Torah reiterates in different places but THREE? Using your logic, surely the NT disqualifies itself as it contradicts a earlier text on the nature of GOD?

The NT contradicts nothing. God is One who manifests Himself in 3 persons. In Revelation we are told that there are Seven Spirits of God. Go figure. Obviously, God is such a complex Being that we cannot understand exactly who He is because we have no concept of Him. We cannot even look at him with our eyes and live.

He is I AM. If you can understand exactly what that means, go for it. I don't think anyone can completely comprehend His Most Holy Being.

 

[Muslim-UK]

The NT contradicts nothing. God is One who manifests Himself in 3 persons.

Ask any Jew and they will say, this contradicts the message of all the previous Prophets.

The Jewish followers of Jesus pbuh knew nothing of 3 in 1, and it was left for Greek and Roman converts to Saul's brand of Christianity to accept 3 in 1 Hundreds of years after Jesus pbuh. Not surprising really when you consider most of the early Church fathers were Greek philosophers themselves, all well versed in the worship of mangods, sons of gods and goddesses.

You can see why GOD sent a Final Prophet to bring the Gentiles back to Monotheism, and made sure the Scripture would not be corrupted again.

In Revelation we are told that there are Seven Spirits of God. Go figure. Obviously, God is such a complex Being that we cannot understand exactly who He is because we have no concept of Him. We cannot even look at him with our eyes and live.

Is this the same Book of Revelation that the early Church said, was uninspired and rejected as being Scripture? Perhaps the 7 Spirits of God is reference to the 7 Heavens? Can you post the verse and I'll have a look out of interest.

He is I AM. If you can understand exactly what that means, go for it. I don't think anyone can completely comprehend His Most Holy Being.

"ehyeh-asher-ehyeh" translated as "I AM THAT I AM" a simple statement of being. Not too difficult to decipher.

 

[DavidFirth]

Ask any Jew and they will say, this contradicts the message of all the previous Prophets.

The Jewish followers of Jesus pbuh knew nothing of 3 in 1, and it was left for Greek and Roman converts to Saul's brand of Christianity to accept 3 in 1 Hundreds of years after Jesus pbuh. Not surprising really when you consider most of the early Church fathers were Greek philosophers themselves, all well versed in the worship of mangods, sons of gods and goddesses.

You can see why GOD sent a Final Prophet to bring the Gentiles back to Monotheism, and made sure the Scripture would not be corrupted again.

Is this the same Book of Revelation that the early Church said, was uninspired and rejected as being Scripture? Perhaps the 7 Spirits of God is reference to the 7 Heavens? Can you post the verse and I'll have a look out of interest.


"ehyeh-asher-ehyeh" translated as "I AM THAT I AM" a simple statement of being. Not too difficult to decipher.

I'm not asking you or the Jews anything. I know truth from a much higher authority than you or them.

 

[England my lionheart]

I'm not asking you or the Jews anything. I know truth from a much higher authority than you or them.

How do you know?

 

[DavidFirth]

How do you know?

The Spirit of Christ reveals truth. He has revealed it to me that He is the Christ, the Son of God.

 

[England my lionheart]

The Spirit of Christ reveals truth. He has revealed it to me that He is the Christ, the Son of God.

So you could be a prophet then.

 

[DavidFirth]

So you could be a prophet then.

No, but all Christians have the gift of the Holy Spirit. All of us who truly believe are given the gift of truth.

 

[Muslim-UK]

No, but all Christians have the gift of the Holy Spirit. All of us who truly believe are given the gift of truth.

There is no such thing, ask former Priests, Clergy and Tens of Thousands of Christians who left the faith. Those who say they have the Holy Spirit residing within them claim to be able to speak in tongues and heal people, yet there are plenty of accounts online exposing such people, mostly out to make a quick $.

If you mean you have a internal conviction of faith and are relying on your instincts, then yes that's all well and good, but is evidence for nothing.

Can you tell me what the following verses means:

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’ 24 Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

Specifically what is the Lawlessness he is talking about and what were the words of his that, if you acted upon and followed meant you were assured of salvation?

 

[DavidFirth]

There is no such thing, ask former Priests, Clergy and Tens of Thousands of Christians who left the faith. Those who say they have the Holy Spirit residing within them claim to be able to speak in tongues and heal people, yet there are plenty of accounts online exposing such people, mostly out to make a quick $.

If you mean you have a internal conviction of faith and are relying on your instincts, then yes that's all well and good, but is evidence for nothing.

Can you tell me what the following verses means:

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’ 24 Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

Specifically what is the Lawlessness he is talking about and what were the words of his that, if you acted upon and followed meant you were assured of salvation?

Those who "left the faith" were never really among us so your theory is wrong right there.

See 1 John 2:19

I'm not interested in discussing this with you. As a Muslim you have no idea what you're talking about concerning the Spirit, anyway.

 

[YmirGF]

Sorry, that was a example using my imagination to illustrate a point.

Thank you, up front, for your honesty. Kudos.

We know from Science, the Moon does not have it's own light, rather it's the light reflected from the Sun:

Precisely. However....

“Blessed is He Who made Constellations in the skies, And placed therein a Lamp And a Moon giving light.”

This verse is not much better than the information provided by the Bible. It's simply not accurate. One would think a being worthy of being called a god would know that. It is what I'd expect from an fairly ignorant (by our standards) desert dweller though. Reflections were a fairly well understood idea at the time, so the idea that the moon is "giving light" is flat out wrong. It is not a giver of light. It's a reflector.

Consider the following verses related to the nature of light from the Sun and the Moon:

But do both of the following statements sound like the writer knows what they are talking about? Seriously?

“It is He who made the sun To be a shining glory And the moon to be a light (Of beauty).”

Here, the text specifies that the moon is a light. It's not. Again, the writer doesn't seem to know what they are talking about.

“See ye not How Allah has created The seven heavens One above another, “And made the moon A light in their midst, and made the sun As a (Glorious) Lamp?”

And again it is implied that the moon itself IS a light. It is not.

Clearly, the Bible and the Qur'an are fairly equal in their highly erroneous perceptions.