Was Pilate totally blameless for crucifying Jesus?

[Me Myself]

Pilate has even less blame on Jesus crusifixion than the blame all of us have for the dead of african children that we do not economicaly support even when we could do.

Even less blame than we have when we buy stuff that we know has been made by a lot of underpaid Chinese children living in factories.

I´d say he has less blame than the blame we have for everything we do destroying the enviroment.

So more or less that.

 

[Me Myself]

I totally destroyed the thread :sorry1:

Don´t do this to me, agree or disagree?

 

[Kathryn]

The Roman government, the Jewish government, and the mob all share just about equal guilt in the death of Jesus, in my opinion.

 

[Me Myself]

What I mean is that Pilate only gave him over to other people. What he basically did was "I don´t care" and he did this because his job was posibly on the line with so many unsatisfied jews, that could turn into a mob or political problems.

We do all the examples I put above without our jobs being at risk, so we are all guilty of indiference.

Children in Africa are still Jesus, and the indiference to let them starve is still there to many of us (in the sense of not doung anything for them).

 

[Storm]

In my ongoing debate with a friend, he claims that Pilate didn't want to crucify Jesus because he was an innocent man. Even Pilate's wife didn't want jesus crucified. The Jewish authority basicaally said that if Pilate didn't crucify Jesus, they would make up things and get him in trouble with Rome.

I said that Pilate was brutal and wouldn't hesitate to crucify anyone. I said that Jesus's claim that He was the King of the Jews was enough to get Him crucified.

So, how much responsibility/blame of Jesus's crucifixion falls on Pilate?

Well, if one believes that the Crucifixion was predestined, none.

Setting that aside, there's always a choice. Sometimes they're all bad. We still bear responsibility.

 

[no-body]

The version where Pilate regrets crucifying Christ is very romantic, but there is no way it is true. It makes for good myth making though.

 

[Kathryn]

What I mean is that Pilate only gave him over to other people. What he basically did was "I don´t care" and he did this because his job was posibly on the line with so many unsatisfied jews, that could turn into a mob or political problems.

If you knew that you could keep an innocent person from losing their job by signing a form before you left for the day, but you decided that you just wouldn't sign it - that you'd go play golf instead - you'd be culpable in their undeserved termination.

 

[Me Myself]

If you knew that you could keep an innocent person from losing their job by signing a form before you left for the day, but you decided that you just wouldn't sign it - that you'd go play golf instead - you'd be culpable in their undeserved termination.

If you knew (and you do) that you could keep a couple of african kids from dying of starvation by doning a couploe of bucks daily/weekly/mothly/etc and you don´t, you´d be as guilty of their death as the person you describe me would be guilty of the person´s underserved termination.

 

[fallingblood]

If you knew (and you do) that you could keep a couple of african kids from dying of starvation by doning a couploe of bucks daily/weekly/mothly/etc and you don´t, you´d be as guilty of their death as the person you describe me would be guilty of the person´s underserved termination.

I'm sorry but that is BS. By the time you added up all the money that one would have to donate to help all the starving people, the price becomes impossible. And then add to the other movements that one should donate to, and it simply isn't possible.

If I donate money to help suffering children in Africa, what about those children in the US or Europe or Asia or South America? It gets to the point that it simply isn't feasible.

Do I have the means to donate money to help starving children in Africa? Yes. But I choose to donate my time and resources elsewhere. Am I guilty for their suffering? Not at all.

 

[Me Myself]

Do I have the means to donate money to help starving children in Africa? Yes. But I choose to donate my time and resources elsewhere.

Including recreation. I am sure that some ice cream you ate at some moment could be money saved to help some children in Africa. Just because you can´t help all doesn´t mean you are not choosing to ignore those who you do can help.

In this second you could find a web and donate money.

I am not saying you are a horrible person or anythng the like. I am not donating money either. I am merely saying it is even less bad that what Pilate did. Because we would lose a little ice cream money. He was to face political repercutions if he stopped Jesus´s crucifixion.

 

[outhouse]

What I mean is that Pilate only gave him over to other people. What he basically did was "I don´t care" and he did this because his job was posibly on the line with so many unsatisfied jews, that could turn into a mob or political problems.

We do all the examples I put above without our jobs being at risk, so we are all guilty of indiference.

Children in Africa are still Jesus, and the indiference to let them starve is still there to many of us (in the sense of not doung anything for them).

we dont even kow if he had a trial let aone what or what not Pilate might haves said.


one thing is certain if you went under Pilate you would be kiled asap.

he would have never washed his hands of a Galilian trouble maker, he hated Galilians



he did die a roman death so that makes romans responsible.

 

[Kathryn]

If you knew (and you do) that you could keep a couple of african kids from dying of starvation by doning a couploe of bucks daily/weekly/mothly/etc and you don´t, you´d be as guilty of their death as the person you describe me would be guilty of the person´s underserved termination.

How much is enough though?

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[CynthiaCypher]

You guys don't know much about Pilate.

First of all, there was no autonomous secular or religious Jewish government, so no they are not responsible.

Mob? What mob? Maybe a few unwilling bystanders that the despots manage to corral but I doubt there was any mob?

And as for a trial. i doubt they were even questioned the trial probably went down like this:

Pilate: I see three very seditious Jews who seem to not want to see another Passover. Centurion! Oblige them!

Centurion: Yessir!

Pilate: And give the lanky one in the middle, the so-called King "special treatment" befitting a king.

Pilate was a cruel and brutal man.

 

[Kathryn]

You guys don't know much about Pilate.

First of all, there was no autonomous secular or religious Jewish government, so no they are not responsible.

Mob? What mob? Maybe a few unwilling bystanders that the despots manage to corral but I doubt there was any mob?

And as for a trial. i doubt they were even questioned the trial probably went down like this:

Pilate: I see three very seditious Jews who seem to not want to see another Passover. Centurion! Oblige them!

Centurion: Yessir!

Pilate: And give the lanky one in the middle, the so-called King "special treatment" befitting a king.

Pilate was a cruel and brutal man.

Just curious. On what do you base your assertion that there was no mob? How many people make up a mob in your opinion?

 

[outhouse]

Just curious. On what do you base your assertion that there was no mob? How many people make up a mob in your opinion?

what reason would there be for a mob?

the events surrounding his death have so little historicity, a mob was more a literary creation.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Just curious. On what do you base your assertion that there was no mob? How many people make up a mob in your opinion?

To tell you the truth I doubt there was a mob in the first place. Pilate didn't need the approval of a mob to kill someone.

Pilate was in the business of killing mobs and business was booming.

He was a very bad man.

 

[gnostic]

In my ongoing debate with a friend, he claims that Pilate didn't want to crucify Jesus because he was an innocent man. Even Pilate's wife didn't want jesus crucified. The Jewish authority basicaally said that if Pilate didn't crucify Jesus, they would make up things and get him in trouble with Rome.

I said that Pilate was brutal and wouldn't hesitate to crucify anyone. I said that Jesus's claim that He was the King of the Jews was enough to get Him crucified.

So, how much responsibility/blame of Jesus's crucifixion falls on Pilate?

If we are to believe the gospels, particularly how events play out the way God planned it, like the arrest, crucify, death and resurrection, Pilate would be blameless, but so would Judas. Judas has to betray Jesus, and Pilate has to sentence Jesus to death, otherwise, you would have a whole different story.

 

[Kathryn]

To tell you the truth I doubt there was a mob in the first place. Pilate didn't need the approval of a mob to kill someone.

Pilate was in the business of killing mobs and business was booming.

He was a very bad man.

So this is really based simply upon your opinion or personal interpretation then. OK.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

So this is really based simply upon your opinion or personal interpretation then. OK.

It's not a personal interpretation. History tell us that Pilate was nothing more than a mass murderer.

 

[Kathryn]

It's not a personal interpretation. History tell us that Pilate was nothing more than a mass murderer.

I'm sorry - what does that have to do with whether or not there was a mob on the scene?