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Was Pilate totally blameless for crucifying Jesus?

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Dubio

Member
In my ongoing debate with a friend, he claims that Pilate didn't want to crucify Jesus because he was an innocent man. Even Pilate's wife didn't want jesus crucified. The Jewish authority basicaally said that if Pilate didn't crucify Jesus, they would make up things and get him in trouble with Rome.

I said that Pilate was brutal and wouldn't hesitate to crucify anyone. I said that Jesus's claim that He was the King of the Jews was enough to get Him crucified.

So, how much responsibility/blame of Jesus's crucifixion falls on Pilate?
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Dubio said:
In my ongoing debate with a friend, he claims that Pilate didn't want to crucify Jesus because he was an innocent man. Even Pilate's wife didn't want jesus crucified. The Jewish authority basicaally said that if Pilate didn't crucify Jesus, they would make up things and get him in trouble with Rome.

I said that Pilate was brutal and wouldn't hesitate to crucify anyone. I said that Jesus's claim that He was the King of the Jews was enough to get Him crucified.

So, how much responsibility/blame of Jesus's crucifixion falls on Pilate?
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None.

that part of the story has absolutely no historicity.

many doubt a trial ever happened

Pilate and Caiaphas were only concerned with keeping the weekend trouble free on this big payday for the temple. There was no reason to bring a poor jew in front of he leaders.
 
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cledussnow

New Member
Pilate was SCARED.

John 19:

But Pilate answered, “You take him and crucify him. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him.”

7 The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.”
8 When Pilate heard this, he was even more afraid, 9 and he went back inside the palace. “Where do you come from?” he asked Jesus, but Jesus gave him no answer. 10 “Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?”
11 Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”
12 From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jewish leaders kept shouting, “If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.”
13 When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge’s seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha). 14 It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.
“Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews.
15 But they shouted, “Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!”
“Shall I crucify your king?” Pilate asked.
“We have no king but Caesar,” the chief priests answered. 16 Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.
 
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cledussnow

New Member
Also Matthew 27:

22 “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked.

They all answered, “Crucify him!”
23 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate.
But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”
24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”
25 All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!” 26 Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
cledussnow said:
Also Matthew 27:

22 “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked.

They all answered, “Crucify him!”
23 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate.
But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”
24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”
25 All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!” 26 Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.
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None of that is accurate.

Do you think the author of Matthew was a eyewitness to these words???
 
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beerisit

Active Member
cledussnow said:
Also Matthew 27:

22 “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked.

They all answered, “Crucify him!”
23 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate.
But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”
24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”
25 All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!” 26 Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.
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Do you have another reference from the time in support?
 
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cledussnow

New Member
I am assuming that the asker of the question believes the Bible to be accurate. Your failure to share that belief is of no consequence to the correct answer.
 
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beerisit

Active Member
cledussnow said:
I am assuming that the asker of the question believes the Bible to be accurate. Your failure to share that belief is of no consequence to the correct answer.
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So your happy to believe any story at all. There are some criminals who would love you on the jury.
 
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cledussnow

New Member
I am happy, yes. Thanks for asking.

The OP asked a biblical question, therefore nothing outside the Bible is necessary for an answer.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
cledussnow said:
I am assuming that the asker of the question believes the Bible to be accurate. Your failure to share that belief is of no consequence to the correct answer.
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why assume? he never stated such.

As far as real history is concerned, pilate was a brutal killer fired for being to harsh on jews. he would never wash his hands of this, not only that he had a extreme hatred for Galileans.

during that weekend only a disturbance in the temple would be needed to be put on a cross as a trouble maker.
 
fallingblood

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
I don't see why it would really matter. Jesus was seen as a criminal and a potential threat. There were probably open orders to get rid of any potential danger for revolt. So Jesus was killed. Is Pilate guilty? I think that may be the wrong question. He was responsible though.
 
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Dubio

Member
I'm the OP and I am operating under the belief that Pilate and Jesus were there together. As far a the dialogue that went on, who knows?

If you think there was no trial, that's fine. It's a possibility. I'd like to hear your reason why(some of you did this, thank you). If you think Pilate had a good reason to have Jesus crucified, what would be the reason?

Thank you
 
CynthiaCypher

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Dubio said:
I'm the OP and I am operating under the belief that Pilate and Jesus were there together. As far a the dialogue that went on, who knows?

If you think there was no trial, that's fine. It's a possibility. I'd like to hear your reason why(some of you did this, thank you). If you think Pilate had a good reason to have Jesus crucified, what would be the reason?

Thank you
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He was convicted of sedition and probably didn't have a real trial.
 
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