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Was the big bang creation or evolution?

idav

Being
Premium Member
It could be space from another galaxy within a galaxy. We don't know, yet you claim you know there is nothing.

Why do you think you know there is no outside?

This is what I gather. There is an outside or inside spacetime. Outside our spacetime, is just timeless time. I can say we expand into nothing but the evidence of hawking radiation shows something could be outside, which is true but is a realm where physics breaks down and can effect can happen before its cause. If time is anything by itself, whatever that realm is thats timeless, thats outside our spacetime, just one single point leaves no space just time.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
The big bang was the process by which our universe came into existence. Evolution is the process by which organisms adapt and change over time. Creationism is a pseudoscientific explanation for the formation of the universe based upon the Judeo-Christian (and also Muslim) holy texts.

More specifically your referring to biological evolution.

Creationists believe big bang was created?

My argument is the universe wasnt created and never began, big bang was morphology.
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
Was the big bang creation or evolution?

Dear idav, Creation, because it was caused by Jesus on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 Jesus took some of the heaven (Air) and ground (Dust) and Water, which came from the gases in the Air, made in the beginning, Gen 1:1 and changed this Matter back into Energy, which cooled, and became our Universe. He also made Adam (3rd Day) Gen 2:4-7 BEFORE the First Stars of our wolrd, (4th Day) Gen 1:16, which was some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time.

BTW, Singularities don't evolve, they Inflate, rather quickly. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Outside our spacetime, is just timeless time.

:facepalm:


You don't know that.


What if it is the same material our space time is expanding into?

Our time would exist outside as well as there would be no real barrier stopping time. WE DONT KNOW is all that needs to be stated. Your limiting things
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
:facepalm:


You don't know that.


What if it is the same material our space time is expanding into?

Our time would exist outside as well as there would be no real barrier stopping time. WE DONT KNOW is all that needs to be stated. Your limiting things
The one thing we do know about time is it slows down as speed or mass increase. There is something they call the event horizon. It is attested to exist but is an unknown realm. With all of that there is no need to expand into anything, all that exists was at a single point and still is everything that is we see today. The quantum realm is what unites it all.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
:facepalm:


You don't know that.


What if it is the same material our space time is expanding into?

Our time would exist outside as well as there would be no real barrier stopping time. WE DONT KNOW is all that needs to be stated. Your limiting things

This summarizes it rather nicely.

The definition of the Universe is that it contains everything. If something was outside the Universe, it would also be part of the Universe too. Outside of that? Still Universe. Out side of THAT? Also more Universe. It’s Universe all the way down. But I know you’re going to find that answer unsatisfying, so now I’m going to break your brain.Either the Universe is infinite, going on forever, or its finite, with a limited volume. In either case, the Universe has no edge.*
What is the Universe Expanding Into?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
The one thing we do know about time is it slows down as speed or mass increase. There is something they call the event horizon. It is attested to exist but is an unknown realm. With all of that there is no need to expand into anything, all that exists was at a single point and still is everything that is we see today. The quantum realm is what unites it all.


Not a single word you wrote addresses any aspect of my reply.
 

Skeptisch

Well-Known Member
The quantum realm is what unites it all.
We have to be careful and stay skeptical when “quantum experts” like spoonbender Deepak Chopra woos us with his woo woo:
“If we do not look at it, the moon is gone. In this world, only an act of observation can confer shape and form to reality — to a dandelion in a meadow, or a seed pod, or the sun or wind or rain. Anyway, it’s amazing, and even your dog can do it too.”
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
has nothing to do with the edge of expansion, only the edge of a singularity :facepalm:



COMPREHENSION PLEASE
The edge of expansion has everything to do with the singularity becoming what we know as the big bang, the expansion of existence.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
comprehension please. your not doing it.

Defintion wise universe means all of existence. There is nothing to suggest that anything existed prior but like the quote said, either eternal or finite and in both scenarios there are no edges no boundaries. If I am not comprehneding something then explain it. Just saying I am wrong or dont understand isnt helpful.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
We have to be careful and stay skeptical when “quantum experts” like spoonbender Deepak Chopra woos us with his woo woo:
“If we do not look at it, the moon is gone. In this world, only an act of observation can confer shape and form to reality — to a dandelion in a meadow, or a seed pod, or the sun or wind or rain. Anyway, it’s amazing, and even your dog can do it too.”

Yes you are correct, I am very skeptical of chopras interpretations. The moon willrbe there whether or not someone is around to observe it.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I have told you to many times, "we don't know" is the proper answer here.


You cannot place boundaries on the unknown. It could be space in a space, time in another time. If it has the same properties as our space, your answers fail.

The edge of expansion, do you know that it is a solid boundary? Do you know if it a thick or thin boundary? Do you know what is on the outside of this boundary?

We don't know works really really well.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I have told you to many times, "we don't know" is the proper answer here.


You cannot place boundaries on the unknown. It could be space in a space, time in another time. If it has the same properties as our space, your answers fail.

The edge of expansion, do you know that it is a solid boundary? Do you know if it a thick or thin boundary? Do you know what is on the outside of this boundary?

We don't know works really really well.

What also works well is god is unnecessary therefore no creator.
 
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