Was the prophet Muhammad able to read and write?

[paarsurrey]

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Friend @firedragon !

Sorry, my bad. I have rectified my post. Please read it again.

Regards

 

[firedragon]

Please point out which one of the "Arguments given in the OP" are mentioned in Quran, internally, and quote the verses in Arabic original text and their translation in English. Right, please?

Regards

Sure.

Out of those arguments made by those who believe the prophet was illiterate (thats most of the muslims around the world) the only one is about the Ummi Nabi quote in the Quran.

Heres the original arabic text from the Al Mushaf al madinah. Bro, i will furnish this but a simple reference would have sufficed because everyone in the world can access the Quran with a reference. Anyway, here it is.

Translations

[with unlettered rendition posed as argument]

“Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered (Ummy) Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them...”

[with Ummi translated as gentile]: Those who follow the messenger, the gentile prophet, whom they find written for them in the Torah and the Gospel; he orders them to kindness, and prohibits them from vice, and he makes permissible for them the good things, and he makes forbidden for them the nasty things, and he removes their burden and the shackles that are upon them. So those who believe in him, and support him, and help him persevere, and follow the light that was sent down with him; these are the successful ones.

 

[danieldemol]

I think Muhammad was most probably illiterate because He made mistakes in his recollections of earlier scriptural stories which He could have corrected were He able to read and cross-reference then write the Quranic stories

 

[firedragon]

I think Muhammad was most probably illiterate because He made mistakes in his recollections of earlier scriptural stories which He could have corrected were He able to read and cross-reference then write the Quranic stories

Its rather nonsensical to mix and match literacy with representation. Errm. That was unexpected honestly.

 

[firedragon]

Lol. Recollection of a story has become evidence of literacy. The world is losing it.

 

[wizanda]

Salam Aleykum,

We want to answer back intelligently, and as a Servant of the Source of reality, it tells us what to expect.

Please learn to impress the Source with your mathematical intellect; be critical of seeking wisdom in the texts, not each other.

So when you said Bible you meant Zachariah!

The Bible is a very carefully laid out manuscript, that requires understanding the prophetic references written cryptically.

Muhammad in the Quran is not simply relaying a few misread passages; it is an advanced study that has taken me 15 years to understand in detail.

Zechariah 11 is paraphrasing Jeremiah 25, as a timeline of the coming of the Messiah, and Daniel 9 cites that.

In Muhammad's explanation when he said they rejected David and Yeshua, this is what is prophesied in detail...

King David reincarnated as Yehoshua ben Yoseph, which is why the Curse was place on the Jews, and the Tanakh alone can be used to show this.

5:78 Cursed were those who disbelieved among the Children of Israel by the tongue of David and of Jesus, the son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and [habitually] transgressed.

Yet people didn't understand Muhammad, and the Jews called him stupid, uneducated, etc; so he said The Messiah himself will come to explain that in which you differ (43:63).

In my opinion.

 

[danieldemol]

Lol. Recollection of a story has become evidence of literacy. The world is losing it.

I think you mean evidence of illiteracy, and perhaps it’s not the rest of the world that has the problem.

 

[firedragon]

I think you mean evidence of illiteracy, and perhaps it’s not the rest of the world that has the problem.

Read that statement again.

Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

Salam Aleykum,

We want to answer back intelligently, and as a Servant of the Source of reality, it tells us what to expect.

Please learn to impress the Source with your mathematical intellect; be critical of seeking wisdom in the texts, not each other.

The Bible is a very carefully laid out manuscript, that requires understanding the prophetic references written cryptically.

Muhammad in the Quran is not simply relaying a few misread passages; it is an advanced study that has taken me 15 years to understand in detail.

Zechariah 11 is paraphrasing Jeremiah 25 as a timeline of the coming of the Messiah, and Daniel 9 cites that.

In Muhammad's explanation when he said they rejected David and Yeshua, this is what is prophesied in detail...

King David reincarnated as Yehoshua ben Yoseph, which is why the Curse was place on the Jews, and the Tanakh alone can be used to show this.

5:78 Cursed were those who disbelieved among the Children of Israel by the tongue of David and of Jesus, the son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and [habitually] transgressed.

Yet people didn't understand Muhammad, and the Jews called him stupid, uneducated, etc; so he said The Messiah himself will come to explain that in which you differ (43:63).

In my opinion.

Completely irrelevant. I asked for specifics to clarify and see if you can be specific, but all of this is completely irrelevant.

Thanks.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I think Muhammad was most probably illiterate because He made mistakes in his recollections of earlier scriptural stories which He could have corrected were He able to read and cross-reference then write the Quranic stories

The other option is that Muhammad (Peace be upon him), told the stories as they had unfolded. The Christians has started to make Doctrine that was leading the mind of man into greater error.

After all, as it was God telling the stories, we know God does not make mistakes, God does challenge our understandings.

Regards Tony

 

[wizanda]

Completely irrelevant. I asked for specifics to clarify and see if you can be specific, but all of this is completely irrelevant.

The Bible contexts, and how it connects with the Quran is the whole point of the thread, and if Muhammad could read it, to understand the contexts; that was just shown in a sentence, and you're clearly not interested in prophetic contexts.

Are you purposely put here to make Islam look bad; if so you're doing a very good job, they should pay you extra.

In my opinion.

 

[Lyndon]

have you considered that Mohammed PBUH may have had poor eyesight, and not having modern glasses be unable to read??

 

[firedragon]

The Bible contexts, and how it connects with the Quran is the whole point of the thread, and if Muhammad could read it, to understand the contexts; that was just shown in a sentence, and you're clearly not interested in prophetic contexts.

Are you purposely put here to make Islam look bad; if so you're doing a very good job, they should pay you extra.

In my opinion.

Not relevant.

Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

have you considered that Mohammed PBUH may have had poor eyesight, and not having modern glasses be unable to read??

So far i have never heard that argument. Maybe a possibility i suppose. Did he have poor eyesight? Is there anything written about that?

 

[Lyndon]

a large percentage of people couldn't read much without glasses, that's the only solid evidence I have.

 

[firedragon]

a large percentage of people couldn't read much without glasses, that's the only solid evidence I have.

Hmm. Cheers.

 

[Lyndon]

Mohammed PBUH was obviously some kind of genius if he were able to memorize the entire Koran, so it seems unlikely to me he would not have learned to read if he had the ability.

 

[shmogie]

On a trip to Istanbul many years ago, our hosts took us to a Mosque where we were instructed to be extremely respectful and quiet (and, no, it wasn't the Blue Mosque). The only thing inside this mosque was a pair of Mohammed's shoes and one of his Qurans. From this we can surmise that not only could Mohammed read, he could walk as well.

Could he chew gum while he walked, that is the burning question.

 

[BSM1]

Could he chew gum while he walked, that is the burning question.

And, perhaps equally puzzling, is what part of the goat was used to make the gum?

 

[paarsurrey]

Sure.

Out of those arguments made by those who believe the prophet was illiterate (thats most of the muslims around the world) the only one is about the Ummi Nabi quote in the Quran.

Heres the original arabic text from the Al Mushaf al madinah. Bro, i will furnish this but a simple reference would have sufficed because everyone in the world can access the Quran with a reference. Anyway, here it is.

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Translations

[with unlettered rendition posed as argument]

“Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered (Ummy) Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them...”

[with Ummi translated as gentile]: Those who follow the messenger, the gentile prophet, whom they find written for them in the Torah and the Gospel; he orders them to kindness, and prohibits them from vice, and he makes permissible for them the good things, and he makes forbidden for them the nasty things, and he removes their burden and the shackles that are upon them. So those who believe in him, and support him, and help him persevere, and follow the light that was sent down with him; these are the successful ones.

I meant to identify from the OP.
One has given several arguments. Which argument is proved from the internal substance of Quran.
Right, please?

Regards