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Was there evidence of the Philistines around 1500 BCE, before the time of the Exodus?
- Thread starter River Sea
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Apparently not: Philistines - Wikipedia
River Sea
Well-Known Member
I thought the king's name was Gerar? I was wrong.
Philistine king of Gerar, reigned during the time of Abraham
Ok I learn something Gerar is a place
Place is Mohenjo Daro
Gerar, Land of the Philistines
Hindu name is Girivraja, Rajgriha,Magadha
Still how long do treaties last, when Abraham made these treaties, will they last 'till Moses is born 1525 BC or even later?
What causes previous famine in Abraham’s time? Do famine cause more treaties or ruin some treaties?
Philistine king of Gerar, reigned during the time of Abraham
Ok I learn something Gerar is a place
Place is Mohenjo Daro
Gerar, Land of the Philistines
Hindu name is Girivraja, Rajgriha,Magadha
Still how long do treaties last, when Abraham made these treaties, will they last 'till Moses is born 1525 BC or even later?
What causes previous famine in Abraham’s time? Do famine cause more treaties or ruin some treaties?
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How far did Humpty Dumpty fall?
What's a philistine and where are you focused on?
Heck an exodus is suspect as written in torah. No actual record anywhere.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@metis claims no Philistines around 1500 BC before the time of the Exodus
@River Sea claims yes Philistines around 1500 BC before the time of the Exodus
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala shows in his book
Example: Philistines did exist before and around 1500 BC before Exodus from the Indus Valley on page 217 or pdf page 243. Book Common Prophets @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
Land of the Philistines (Mohenjo Daro): The Philistines were descendants of Noah, Ham and Mitsrayim. Abraham stayed here for some time. Moses avoided passing through here during the Exodus
So the Philistines were located in Mohenjo Daro in Pakistan
@River Sea claims yes Philistines around 1500 BC before the time of the Exodus
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala shows in his book
Example: Philistines did exist before and around 1500 BC before Exodus from the Indus Valley on page 217 or pdf page 243. Book Common Prophets @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
Land of the Philistines (Mohenjo Daro): The Philistines were descendants of Noah, Ham and Mitsrayim. Abraham stayed here for some time. Moses avoided passing through here during the Exodus
So the Philistines were located in Mohenjo Daro in Pakistan
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So, your OP was a rhetorical question offered so that, after a few posts, you could amaze us all with a silly book report.
Thanks for nothing.
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Audie
Veteran Member
No. That would be impossible.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@Jayhawker Soule your humpty dumpty caused me to end conversation and just show from book.
@Jayhawker Soule
I was going to ask questions more, but your humpty dumpty made me give up and just show where I found information in the book.
Question was how long does Treaties last that Abraham made., long enough 'till Moses was born in 1525 BC?
You wrote, Humpty Dumpty @Jayhawker Soule
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The pericopes regarding the Philistines is viewed by many as an anachronism.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
About the Philistines: migrated from Indus Valley to Cyprus and then to Israel. The Philistines were sea people, how did they make their boats?
Were there any Philistinians traveling along the Luni River? Is there a Luni Valley when there's a Luni River? For each river, is there a valley with the name of the river?
Were there any Philistinians traveling along the Luni River? Is there a Luni Valley when there's a Luni River? For each river, is there a valley with the name of the river?
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@Jayhawker Soule
anachronism means error in chronology
so you think Philistines is viewed by many in chronology error?
Yes. That is my assumption.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
The Philistines back in 1500 BC located in modern-name Pakistan was a tribe who lived near the Yadavas later name Hebrews.
I was curious about what type of treaties Abraham made with the Philistines and did these treaties last long enough 'till 1500 BC or longer?
@Bthoth how did they make treaties back when, did they carve it or only verbally exchange these treaties?
How many years did these treaties last?
Were the treaties passed down verbally if not carved, example:
The King of Gerar returned to the land of the Philistines after
making a treaty with Abraham.
I did learn. Gerar is located in "modern-name" Pakistan.
One could wonder how respected these treaties were, and if they were not respected, what happened then?
Were treaties important to have? Were there ever many tribes who didn't have any treaties? Was that more beneficial or confusing?
What were treaties for?
Unless you have stone tablets from that time period, it's all going to be speculation.
Heck there is still no evidence of Moses treaties let alone abram. The closest link is circumcision and that was an egyptian requirement which is recorded in stone.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@Bthoth any carvings to show that Moses married Tharbis from Ethiopia
Philistines
Place is Mohenjo Daro
Gerar, Land of the Philistines
Hindu name is Girivraja, Rajgriha, Magadha
Did Tharbis ever travel with Moses to Gerar, land of the Philistines
Yet later Moses had to avoid Gerar, land of the Philistines how come?
Any carvings to show this?
Because later Akhenaten was at KMT—many think it was Moses—so was Akhenaten ever married to Tharbis? Did Moses arrive at KMT, who was Akhenaten? So was Akhenaten living in the Indus Valley and traveling to KMT?
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Tamino
Active Member
If you assume that Moses was born 1525BCE, Akhenaten is almost 2 centuries younger. You may want to check the consistency of your theory there...
There is no queen of this name recorded for Akhenaten.
No idea, I'm not even sure this person ever existed.
A son of Amenophis III and queen Tiye
Certainly not, he grew up in Egypt/KMT
Ajax
Active Member
No way!
Abraham -if existed- lived around 2100 BC.. This is what the bible says according to the consensus of scholars.
Philistines on the other hand were migrants from Aegean Sea/East Mediterranean who arrived in Palestine on or after 1200 BC. Abimelech was their king, whom Isaac supposedly met in Gerar. To mention Gerar in the Bible means that it was a well known city. The problem is that both Abraham and Isaac lived 900-800 years earlier
Gerar is today identified with Tel Haror and excavations there show that in 1100 (the early phase of the Philistine history) it was no more than a small, quite insignificant village, but by the 8th-7th century BC it was a heavily fortified Assyrian stronghold, an obvious landmark.
This also proves that this part of Old Testament was written around the 7th century BC, otherwise they wouldn't know Abimelech and Gerar.
And certainly not written by Moses.
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Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
So Abraham lived where Gerar was located. We may dismiss present location of Gerar rather than Abraham.