Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[katiemygirl]

God cannot die--Jesus died. you are in error.

What a ridiculous, and not very well thought out statement to make! Jesus was 100% God and 100% man. It was Jesus, the man, who died, not Jesus who is our God and Savior.

 

[kjw47]

That's not entirely true. The name JEHOVAH didn't exist until the 1200s

It was there before that in the Hebrew form

 

[kjw47]

John 5:30 has nothing to do with what's going on at the Last Supper.

Jesus is now to be the object of thanks and remembrance at the Passover Last Supper. Unless Jesus is God, there's a big problem. Namely, blasphemy and idolatry.

And btw, you participate in this blasphemy and idolatry by holding a memorial service annually in honor of a mere man who replaces God with himself at the Passover.

You lost me with whatever you are trying to say.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

God cannot die--Jesus died. you are in error.

I am not in error! Jesus' human body died, Jesus didn't die!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It was there before that in the Hebrew form

You are in error, YHWH does not spell Jehovah!

 

[kjw47]

The practice of substituting YHWH for “LORD” was begun by the Jews hundreds of years before Christ. The Jews did not want to pronounce or mispronounce the name of YHWH out of reverence and also lest they violated the commandment that says, "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain," (Exodus 20:7).
So, the Jews began substituting God's name (in Hebrew, "Lord") which is now Adonai. This practice is followed today in English translations of the Bible to show REVERANCE for the Holy Name. Finally, since the early Hebrew text did not contain vowels but only consonants, it is not known exactly how to pronounce God's name. So, LORD is substituted for YHWH.
In the Hebrew Old Testament, the word for “God” is Elohim. God is also called “Lord,” which is a translation of the Hebrew Adonai. However, the special name of God that is given in Exodus 3:14 is YHWH, which is "I AM."
Exodus 3:14, “And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
The four letters YHWH are called the tetragrammaton and is sometimes written/pronounced Yahweh--a better pronunciation than Jehovah since there is no “j” in Hebrew. But, we cannot be sure what the proper pronunciation really is.
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Taking the name of the Lord your God in vain = representing God to all with words but by actions doing the opposite. It has 0 to do with pronouncing the name.
I am that I am is a mistranslation of the Hebrew--I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be is correct--ask the Hebrews.
I was at Carm.org all the apostate bookwriters who were anti Jw( about 20 of them) ran away when I posted 6 major teachings from Jesus that prove 100% the JW teachers are correct--there is no answer to Jesus' truths.

 

[kjw47]

I am not in error! Jesus' human body died, Jesus didn't die!

Jesus was dead in Hades for 3 days.

 

[kjw47]

Nope, but I have this.

John 14:25-26 (ESVST) 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Jesus spoke that to his anointed teachers.

 

[kjw47]

Jesus said that while on earth as a human, not as a resurrected Spirit man. Your Bible says the same thing.

Eph 1: 21 (NWT) 21 far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named,+ not only in this system of things* but also in that to come.

Here is what Jesus says to what you believe--while sitting at his Father right hand in heaven--Rev 3:12

 

[kjw47]

Where you there? Did you see it happen? Check your HERITAGE, your HISTORY the foundation of your religion. It started off with C.T. Russell as the slave. You say the GB's old teachings are meaningless because of Proverbs 4:18. Is that really true? I think not!. The JW's teach and preach John 17:3, if that verse is correct, what happens to all the JW's that died believing all the garbage the GB was teaching in previous decades that is no longer true now because of Proverbs 4:18? What happens to them, they didn't have accurate knowledge? What happens to Russell? The GB has completely changed his teachings and said they were false.


*** jv chap. 10 p. 143 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth *** Proclaimers Book 1993
Over a decade later, however, Brother Russell’s wife publicly expressed the idea that Russell himself was the faithful and wise servant. The view that she voiced concerning the identity of the ‘faithful servant’ came to be generally held by the Bible Students for some 30 years. Brother Russell did not reject their view, but he personally avoided making such an application of the text, emphasizing his opposition to the idea of a clergy class commissioned to teach God’s Word in contrast to a lay class that was not thus commissioned. ¬ Did the Spirit fail to direct the Spirit directed organization for 30 years in that it was directed wrongly when it was directed by Russell’s wife?


*** jv chap. 28 p. 626 Testing and Sifting From Within *** Proclaimers Book1993
Many who were sifted out at that time clung to the view that a single individual, Charles Taze Russell, was the “faithful and wise servant” foretold by Jesus at Matthew 24:45-47 (KJ), which servant would distribute spiritual food to the household of faith. Particularly following his death, The Watch Tower itself set forth this view for a number of years. ¬ Was this the truth?

Then it was ALL the anointed on earth.


*** ka chap. 17 p. 346 par. 32 The “Slave” Who Lived to See the “Sign” ***
Since the “slave” of Jesus’ illustration is not just one Christian man but is the anointed congregation of Christ’s disciples, the “faithful and discreet slave” class continued to serve on after the death of C. T. Russell. ¬ 1973 God’s Kingdom Has Approached


*** jv chap. 15 p. 218 Development of the Organization Structure *** Proclaimers Book1993
The Watchtower analysis of theocratic organization showed from the Scriptures that Jehovah appointed Jesus Christ “head of the. . . congregation”; that when Christ as the Master returned, he would entrust his “faithful and discreet slave” with responsibility “over all his belongings”; that this faithful and discreet slave was made up of all those on earth who had been anointed with holy spirit to be joint heirs with Christ and who were unitedly serving under his direction; ¬ Was this the truth?

I didn't need to be there--I learned Jesus' truths--they are the only teachers I have found, ever. Who actually teach them. Not a single trinity church I ever attended taught them.

 

[kjw47]

Prove it.

LOL
Do you need a list of dates that the GB were wrong about. (Let's just say that they are wrong 100% of the time)

Yes they made errors, especially in the early years. They only had error filled trinity translations to use. Jesus' teachings prove they are his and by making corrections to errors proves 100% truth is what their hearts seek.

 

[kjw47]

That is a problem, and very unfair to other posters! It seems you drop by here every now and again and never really answer questions. I have responded to many of your posts, and put great effort into doing so, only to have you never respond. That may be because you are on eight different forums. It seems very unfair that you just pop in when the mood hits, drop your little bombs (false teachings) and simply disappear when someone refutes your doctrine. Why not give up some of your forums and start being a little more sincere with those of us who respond to your posts?

I only speak about what I know by heart. If one actually showed interest I might do as you ask, but the majority are just here to be in opposition. Any of you can have any question answered at JW .org--it cant be any simpler.

 

[kjw47]

What a ridiculous, and not very well thought out statement to make! Jesus was 100% God and 100% man. It was Jesus, the man, who died, not Jesus who is our God and Savior.

Gods word clearly teaches while on earth, Jesus was made lower than the angels( Heb 2:7)= a mortal--nothing more nothing less=--he was not God. There would have been no justice involved if Jesus were God--- All of Gods ways are justice=Deut 32:4

 

[kjw47]

You are in error, YHWH does not spell Jehovah!

You couldn't possibly know.

 

[katiemygirl]

I only speak about what I know by heart. If one actually showed interest I might do as you ask, but the majority are just here to be in opposition. Any of you can have any question answered at JW .org--it cant be any simpler.

Oh really?

The answers to my three questions are not on the JW.org website.


Where in Scripture does it say that Jesus' mediatorship is extended outward from the 144,000 anointed to the great crowd.

Where in Scripture does it say the New Covenant is between God and the 144,000 anointed ONLY?

Where in Scripture does it say that only the 144,000 are in heaven?

BOOK, CHAPTER, VERSE --- PLEASE!

Rather than run off for three days, how about being courteous and answer the questions, and then follow through with followups? That's how debate works. Both sides andwers are considered, not just one side.

If YOU are going to post your opinions here, then have the courtesy to address people's posts in a timely manner, and don't ask anyone to go to your JW website for answers.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Jesus was dead in Hades for 3 days.

His body died, but He didn't.

1Pe 3:18-19 (ESVST) 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Jesus spoke that to his anointed teachers.

No, I don't think He was.

Luk 11:12-13 (ESVST) ? 13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

 

[Nada]

Oh really?

The answers to my three questions are not on the JW.org website.


Where in Scripture does it say that Jesus' mediatorship is extended outward from the 144,000 anointed to the great crowd.

Where in Scripture does it say the New Covenant is between God and the 144,000 anointed ONLY?

Where in Scripture does it say that only the 144,000 are in heaven?

BOOK, CHAPTER, VERSE --- PLEASE!

Rather than run off for three days, how about being courteous and answer the questions, and then follow through with followups? That's how debate works. Both sides andwers are considered, not just one side.

If YOU are going to post your opinions here, then have the courtesy to address people's posts in a timely manner, and don't ask anyone to go to your JW website for answers.

Wow! So many demands.Many are not able to respond when you want them to.I leave for days at a time as well due to real life in the real world.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Here is what Jesus says to what you believe--while sitting at his Father right hand in heaven--Rev 3:12

Act 4:11-12 (ESVST) This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Rev 3:11-12 (ESVST) . 12 The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.

That verse is definitely referring to when everything is said and done with and God's kingdom is set up. Notice, "TO THE ONE WHO CONQUERS", that is after the tribulation. But right now, JESUS is the name "ABOVE EVERY NAME". The Bible doesn't lie, does it

 

[djhwoodwerks]

You couldn't possibly know.

You have no idea what I know! I study the Bible with many different resources, I have that privilege. I don't take the word of 8 men sitting in New York that are self proclaimed. JW's don't study the Bible for themselves, they let the GB tell them what to think and believe. You use or have nothing to compare what they say to. I will not put my faith and eternity in the hands of someone like that. Please make YHWH sound like Jehovah without adding vowels to it like the Catholic priest did.