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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

savagewind

savagewind

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I think the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus does not teach anyone but that all learning comes from the Bible and that Jesus has given the ability to teach to only the governing body of JWs.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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savagewind said:
Mark 9:35 I think that if a person would obey Jesus' rule strictly then he would not be the one owning the car but would go in another's car. I am sure the brothers and sisters would be so happy to pick up one of the governing body members for the field service!
Tell that to a brother or sister who can't even afford a junker and insure it.
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not everyone has the same stature in this world do they? But a brother and sister are wise enough not to covet others things.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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djhwoodwerks said:
Awesome! You stated in your answer that the Word referred to in John 1:1 is Jesus, can I ask 2 more questions?

1) How is that possible, that Jesus is the Word in John 1:1? According to JayJayDee, I believe, Jesus didn't exist before He was born. She said that the role of, the Son of God, was Michael in Heaven. The role of Jesus didn't exist until He was born of a woman. Your publications state that also.

*** rs p. 218 par. 3 Jesus Christ ***
So the evidence indicates that the Son of God was known as Michael before he came to earth and is known also by that name since his return to heaven where he resides as the glorified spirit Son of God.

2) If the Son of God's role was Michael in heaven, then the "BIBLE" is completely false when it says that Jesus created all other things. According to "YOUR" GB, it was not Jesus in the beginning, but Michael. So the evidence indicates that Michael created all other things, not Jesus.

All this is talking about Michael because the role of Jesus hadn't come on the scene yet.

Col 1:15-16 (ESVST) 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things were created through him and for him.
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Yes Michael is Jesus. Gods thoughts are far above ours, many truths are hidden--even angels are desiring to see them because they do not know them.1Peter 1:12)
So then who created the things for Jesus--a greater being or a lesser being?
 
kjw47

kjw47

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Katzpur said:
I agree, but your comments strike me as odd seeing as I recently got told by a Jehovah's Witness that Mormonism could not possibly be true because its founder, Joseph Smith, was imperfect. God, unfortunately, uses imperfect people to do His work for one very simple reason: That's all He has to choose from!
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yes error teachings never corrected or ever to be corrected that is the difference.
 
savagewind

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kjw47 said:
You are really good at trying to twist everything someone says. He does gather with those who know the real Jesus, but he doesn't reveal truths through just anyone.
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Jesus said anything I ask in his name he will do. I ask for understanding and you say only the governing body of JWs is allowed it. Is that right?
 
kjw47

kjw47

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djhwoodwerks said:
I said to my JW friend, do you think God doesn't want His people in control of this world? The old testament tells us God chose kings to represent Him on earth." Then I asked him, " what do you think this world would be like if, the GB, God's only channel to the world today would be elected into presidential offices and all government offices were held by JW's?" All he would say is, "they would never do that because we are no part of the world." I asked him if he really believed that God wants His people to just sit back and do nothing except wait for the Kingdom to come. All he could say was "satan is the ruler of this world." I said, yes he is, but where are we commanded not to take it back! He couldn't answer that.
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It has already been foretold as a reality--every king( Rev 19:17-19) and kingdom( Rev 16) on earth will be mislead to stand in opposition to Gods king, with this result-Daniel 2:44) so then why would a JW want to be mislead to stand in opposition by running for govt offices? --they wouldn't.
 
kjw47

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savagewind

savagewind

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kjw47 said:
It has already been foretold as a reality--every king( Rev 19:17-19) and kingdom( Rev 16) on earth will be mislead to stand in opposition to Gods king, with this result-Daniel 2:44) so then why would a JW want to be mislead to stand in opposition by running for govt offices? --they wouldn't.
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Kings of Revelations might mean leading men, not necessarily government leaders and Daniel 2:44 you might have backwards. I do not think it says what you want it to say. If it doesn't say what you want it to say you will be found with blood on your hands.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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djhwoodwerks said:
I guess Proverbs 4:18 was written specifically for the GB, because no one in the Bible had ever used that excuse when they wrote what they were led by the spirit to write. Seems they always got it right. Imagine that, WOW, imperfect men who listen to God getting it right the first time! How could that be?
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Maybe you better look at the Gods chosen teachers in Jesus day( Pharisees,saducees--many errors in place--in Peters book--error teachings started getting in--Titus 1:5 was left behind to make corrections to error teachings that got in--satan does not stop trying. That is why the wise teachers are like the Boreans and keep on making sure of all things.
 
kjw47

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savagewind said:
Not through. We are talking about him revealing truths TO someone. I agree with you that he does not reveal truths through just anyone.

Please provide the reason Jesus does not reveal truths to just anyone.
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Because all truth is revealed through his appointed anointed teachers--the faithful and discreet slave. Once it is shared to the domestics then they as well can share it.
 
savagewind

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The governing body have assumed their position by scripture. Now prove by scripture that "all authority to teach" is given them.

Why does Jesus not teach?
 
kjw47

kjw47

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savagewind said:
Are you saying the governing body has more stature than the poor JWs?
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in your eyes--you think a 30,000 car is something to be desired and the GB don't deserve to have 1, but they share it with their broth
savagewind said:
Jesus said anything I ask in his name he will do. I ask for understanding and you say only the governing body of JWs is allowed it. Is that right?
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--anyone who rejects his anointed teachers is rejecting Jesus and God as well--Luke 10:16-- why would he hear you?
I said a hidden truth is revealed only through the anointed teachers, anyone can understand simple milk--well not everyone
Example--- Gods word clearly teaches call no man Father in a spiritual sense but certain religions use that term in the spiritual sense because they cannot even understand milk.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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savagewind said:
Kings of Revelations might mean leading men, not necessarily government leaders and Daniel 2:44 you might have backwards. I do not think it says what you want it to say. If it doesn't say what you want it to say you will be found with blood on your hands.
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You should try doing this-- psalm 91:14-- maybe your darkness can be lifted
 
savagewind

savagewind

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kjw47 said:
in your eyes--you think a 30,000 car is something to be desired and the GB don't deserve to have 1, but they share it with their broth
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How do they get their cars? They get them by saying that contributing to the Watchtower is contributing to God. I think it is by fraud that they receive their nice things.
 
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