Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
You kind of lost me there, but I think I can be pretty sure it was intended to be a slam.
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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??
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It is about Jesus' faith in Jehovah.
kjw47
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djhwoodwerks
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According to the JW's teachings, Michael created all things. You cannot claim Jesus did, if Jesus' role did not exist yet!
djhwoodwerks
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How can you justify "ANY" erroneous teachings? If you believe that accurate knowledge is a requirement for eternal life, should there be or would God allow any errors in teachings? If there are errors, how can you have accurate knowledge?
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
You're doing it again. Please check your alerts and address my last post to you. You need to keep the flow of the conversation going.
If you will just add an s we can read it! Psalms 91:1
djhwoodwerks
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Where do you get, besides from the GB themselves, that God will not reveal any truths to anyone except the GB? Please provide book, chapter and verse.
John 14:25-26 (ESVST) 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Luke 11:8-13 (ESVST) . 9 And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For "EVERYONE" who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. 11 What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; 12 or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"
djhwoodwerks
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Please provide scriptural evidence of that appointment. Other than the question Jesus asked His disciples, or please provide another example of a future prophecy in which a question was asked.
IF the governing body is the only organization for dispensing truth then those people who wrote, translated and copied the Bible did so in the dark.
djhwoodwerks
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My apology! Do you actually believe that the Pharisees and Sadducees were spirit directed? The writers of the Bible were Spirit directed and did not need Proverbs 4:18 as a scapegoat! Proverbs 4:18 is just a "WAY OUT" for the false teachings of the GB. I truly believe that humans are imperfect, and I also truly believe that when the GB, who claims to be "SPIRIT DIRECTED" (they do mean the Holy Spirit, correct?) makes a false teaching, they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. They are infact saying that the HS is not doing His job right! Explain how "ANOINTED" men, "DIRECTED" by the HS not understand what the Spirit is saying?? Something is wrong with that. You're claiming that the imperfection of man is greater than the ability of God and the HS.
djhwoodwerks
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God's word clearly teaches,
Luke 6:27-36 (ESVST) 27 "But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. 31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them. 32 "If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. 36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
I don't know any of you on here, but the way you're taught to "hate in the BIBLICAL sense", and loathe apostates, how can any of you understand this "MILK" from the word?
djhwoodwerks
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That's probably why the GB used Johannes Greber's translation of the earliest manuscripts! He was a spiritualist who used "GOD'S SPIRIT WORLD" to help translate his bible.
djhwoodwerks
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Whom will you follow?
Luke 6:27-36 (ESVST) 27 " But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. 31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.
32 " If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. 36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
*** w52 10/1 p. 599 pars. 11-12 A Strong Refuge Today ***
11 Haters of God and his people are to be hated, but this does not mean that we will take any opportunity of bringing physical hurt to them in a spirit of malice or spite, for both malice and spite belong to the Devil, whereas pure hatred does not. We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme and active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest. Surely any haters of God are not fit to live on his beautiful earth. The earth will be rid of the wicked and we shall not need to lift a finger to cause physical harm to come to them, for God will attend to that, but we must have a proper perspective of these enemies. His name signifies recompense to the enemies.
12 What do you do with anything loathsome or repugnant that you detest and abhor? The answer is simple. You get away from it or remove it from your presence. You do not want to have anything at all to do with it. This must be exactly our attitude toward the haters of Jehovah. Prophetically it is written: “Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloodthirsty men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O Jehovah, that hate thee? And am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred.” (Ps. 139:19-22, AS) [If a person is not a JW or recognize the GB as the slave he is a hater of God?]
*** w93 10/1 p. 19 par. 15 “Search Through Me, O God” ***
15 Regarding them, the psalmist said: “Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies.” (Psalm 139:21, 22) It was because they intensely hated Jehovah that David looked on them with abhorrence. Apostates are included among those who show their hatred of Jehovah by revolting against him. Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah’s organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they “feel a loathing” toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance.—Job 13:16; Romans 12:19; 2 John 9, 10.
Luke 6:27-36 (ESVST) 27 " But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. 31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.
32 " If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. 36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
*** w52 10/1 p. 599 pars. 11-12 A Strong Refuge Today ***
11 Haters of God and his people are to be hated, but this does not mean that we will take any opportunity of bringing physical hurt to them in a spirit of malice or spite, for both malice and spite belong to the Devil, whereas pure hatred does not. We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme and active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest. Surely any haters of God are not fit to live on his beautiful earth. The earth will be rid of the wicked and we shall not need to lift a finger to cause physical harm to come to them, for God will attend to that, but we must have a proper perspective of these enemies. His name signifies recompense to the enemies.
12 What do you do with anything loathsome or repugnant that you detest and abhor? The answer is simple. You get away from it or remove it from your presence. You do not want to have anything at all to do with it. This must be exactly our attitude toward the haters of Jehovah. Prophetically it is written: “Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloodthirsty men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O Jehovah, that hate thee? And am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred.” (Ps. 139:19-22, AS) [If a person is not a JW or recognize the GB as the slave he is a hater of God?]
*** w93 10/1 p. 19 par. 15 “Search Through Me, O God” ***
15 Regarding them, the psalmist said: “Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies.” (Psalm 139:21, 22) It was because they intensely hated Jehovah that David looked on them with abhorrence. Apostates are included among those who show their hatred of Jehovah by revolting against him. Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah’s organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they “feel a loathing” toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance.—Job 13:16; Romans 12:19; 2 John 9, 10.
kjw47
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kjw47
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kjw47
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kjw47
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John 14:25-26 was spoken to the anointed teachers.
Yes everyone serving the real Jesus.
Yes all can have HS-- for strength and reminders--but revealed truths only come through Jesus anointed teachers.
kjw47
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The Israelites were Gods chosen--they fell over and over-- At that point Jesus came just for them-Daniel 12:1--Michael stood up for the sons of Daniel--the gentiles were not included until after Jesus had died and left earth. After the Israelite teachers--REFUSED to make corrections--if they listened to Jesus and made the corrections they would still be Gods chosen, but they did not--they turned their hearts to hatred, rejected their own Messiah and sent him to be killed--God cut them off-Matt 23:37-38--he did however leave the door open to them--they must accept Jesus as the Messiah.
So JayJayDee, if you saw someone getting raped, would you fight to help them? If a group was raping and murdering people in another country, would you want to fight to protect them? The Bible clearly justifies war, so long as it's done in self defense or protecting the innocent
thank you very much