Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[katiemygirl]

I didn't say if one saw someone getting hurt or something a JW wouldn't help them--what I said was totally different. Being sent to another country when they did 0 to one personally. Being sent for one purpose--slaughter of one another--did you read 1 John 3:10-12--it is forbidden. If they came to my home to attack--then that is different. or if I saw an innocent being attacked. This is who sends ones over to another country-2Peter 2:19--this is who is being killed for--there is no difference in any govt.
Did you read this--Rev 16--Rev 19:17-19--- every kingdom( govt, armies,supporters) on earth will be mislead to stand in opposition to Gods king. Why do you think that is?

So when ISIS or another comes to your homeland, will you stand up and fight to protect your fellow Americans? Or will you wait until they come to "your" house?

 

[katiemygirl]

Is that an order, general? Or are you asking kindly?

Hahaha!
I am asking kindly, Sir.

 

[james2ko]

This may sound strange, but you know we already had hybrids on earth and God saw fit to remove them. They didnt belong here. Half angel/half man was not approved by God in the days of Noah and he saw to it that they were all removed from the earth.

1. Based on the scriptures, Christ was clearly a hybrid being. He felt and looked like a human being:

Luke 24:38-39 "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."​

Yet was able to appear out of nowhere, a characteristic exclusive to a spirit being:

Luke 24:36 36 As they were talking about these things, Jesus "himself" stood among them, and said to them, " Peace to you!"
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Making your premise about the hybrid beings in Noah's day rather moot.

Do you think its a physical city? something like the original Jerusalem where people could walk its
streets and buy coffee in its street cafes?

2. I believe scripture does indicate the New Jerusalem will have physical streets:

Rev 21:21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass. ​

When reading through the detailed descriptions of the city in Rev 21, there is plenty of evidence indicating this will be every bit of a physical city placed on a new heaven and earth. It contains gates, walls, streets, precious stones. We really don't know what the composition of the New earth will be.

There is a hint that it will not have an atmosphere, hence the "new heaven", as the oceans will no longer exist (Rev 21:1). An environment fit exclusively for flesh and bone hybrid, spirit beings.

Not sure if it will have a Starbucks. If it does, that would most certainly be heaven on earth.

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[james2ko]

There is 10 lifetimes full of knowledge in Gods written word--not 1 JW knows it all. A JW,s time is very limited, if you desire an answer, look it up--type your question into the search box at JW.org--that simple.

And so is this Christian's time.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Well to be clear, we dont advocate for no government at all. We advocate for Gods Government and that is precisely why we dont vote at elections, join the armed forces or get involved with the running of countries as politicians.

We are law abiding citizens because we submit to Gods Government and his standards and laws are the ones we abide by. Just imagine if everyone lived by the law 'you must love your neighbor as yourself'

Do you think anyone would suffer from crime or violence if everyone applied that law?

Just think how the world would be if God had His "ONLY" people in government offices. They could get the separation of church and state abolished, they could get prayer back in our schools, they could close all the abortion clinics, and so much more. If JW's are truly God's only church, than it is your heavenly duty as "AMBASSADORS" of God to get involved. Maybe study and see what an ambassadors responsibilities are.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Ok, so lets think about it.

If you saw on your election paper all the names of the representatives, then right at the bottom you saw the name "Jesus Christ"

Who would you choose to vote for?

Ok, let's think about it. If God had His "ONLY" church in government offices, would same sex marriage be legal today?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Since when is mortal man a reader of hearts like you are claiming? JW,s do not hate apostates, they hate what they stand for( standing in opposition to Jehovah and Jesus) Even Jesus taught --ones own family members would be their enemies( Matt 10:34-36)( spiritually) Yet we do not hate them. It crushes the hearts of all JW,s to see one fall. --We Adhere to Jesus' loving advice--Love your enemy.
Gods word teaches to punish with severity those that fall. It says do not even eat a meal with them.
Heb 12:11--1Cor 5:9-13--titus 1:13

A persons actions prove what's in a persons heart, do you agree? What do you perceive from these actions? They view him as an enemy.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Just imagine if everyone lived by the law 'you must love your neighbor as yourself'

Is this true of JW's? If you had a neighbor that wanted no part of your religion, would you still "love your neighbor as yourself"? Or would you consider that person as rejecting God, (your organization) and hate (in the Biblical sense) them?

 

[savagewind]

A persons actions prove what's in a persons heart, do you agree? What do you perceive from these actions? They view him as an enemy.

They all act the same so it can be said they are sharing the same heart. If a person shares a heart they share blood which is prohibited by God and by them. Worshipping God is a spiritual occupation and must be viewed from a spiritual perspective. From a spiritual perspective they are not one flock but are one person. Being one person they share the same heart/blood. The command to abstain from blood they take to an extreme in the physical sense but in the spiritual sense they break it eight million times. (There are eight million of them). They obey the word of God to the extreme which says they must be of one mind in imitation of the bond between Jehovah and Jesus. In a sense, they are mocking them which was prophesied. 2 Peter 3:3 (they say Jesus is in the inner chamber with the governing body ie "where").

To be taking the word (law) of God to the extreme is doing two things which were warned about. One is that they imitate the Pharisees of which Jesus says "don't". (Matthew 16:6) and the reason they obey to the extreme is to save themselves which Jesus says, Matthew 16:25. Because they are no longer individuals they have all lost their own soul to the group.

 

[e.r.m.]

kjw47,

not everyone has the same stature in this world do they? But a brother and sister are wise enough not to covet others things.

Are you saying that if a disciple of Jesus wishes to teach or has been given the ability, that they are coveting? Sorry, position's taken? Really?

 

[james2ko]

A persons actions prove what's in a persons heart, do you agree? What do you perceive from these actions? They view him as an enemy.

Although in a slightly different context yet similar principle, it reminds me of the parable of the good samaritan. JW's seem to imitate the Sadducees who kept walking. Sad to watch.

 

[Katzpur]

Well to be clear, we dont advocate for no government at all. We advocate for Gods Government and that is precisely why we dont vote at elections, join the armed forces or get involved with the running of countries as politicians.

We are law abiding citizens because we submit to Gods Government and his standards and laws are the ones we abide by. Just imagine if everyone lived by the law 'you must love your neighbor as yourself'

Do you think anyone would suffer from crime or violence if everyone applied that law?

Okay, Pegg... I'm going to respond to this post for one reason only -- because I like you personally. Otherwise, I would just ignore the post. Quite honestly, it's getting more and more to where I just can't even bring myself to discuss religion with Jehovah's Witnesses. I am convinced that this particular conversation would continue until at least 2020 if it were up to the JWs. At some point, I simply lose interest in having a circular conversation, and that time is quickly approaching.

You say you advocate for God's Government, and you asked me to consider how it would be if everyone lived by His laws. It would be great! It would be phenomenal! And someday, when everybody is on the same page, that will be possible. Meanwhile, when we have people who don't even believe in God, at least not in God as the JWs conceive of Him, we simply must have an "interim government," so to speak. You essentially do advocate for no government other than God's. You may submit to God's Government, but you submit to man's government, too, to the degree you feel you must. JayJayDee already pointed out that you pay your taxes. Why? Tax laws aren't passed by God's Government? You can love your neighbor as yourself without paying taxes. Or maybe it's that you don't want to end up serving a prison term. In that case, what statement are you really making? I would imagine that you feel compelled to obey traffic laws. They have been established to keep you safe on the roads. God had nothing to do with enacting them. There are laws that protect your property, laws that protect your health, the air you breathe, the water you drink. You know that if your country is attacked by its enemies, there will be people authorized by your government to protect you and your family. You're willing to accept all of the benefits your government provides, but you refuse to contribute to its success in any way that you don't absolutely have to (again, I'm thinking of taxes). You're proud that you don't vote, but I'm sure you hope the rest of us vote for people who will be honest and intelligent in making decisions that protect your freedoms and your way of life. If everybody in the world refused to get involved in the political process, absolute chaos would be the result.

Just once in my life, I would love to hear a JW acknowledge this fact, instead of sitting back and making the rest of us -- the ones who do get involved -- out to be anti-God. That is all I have to say on this subject. Period.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Since when is mortal man a reader of hearts like you are claiming?

Mat 7:19-20 (ESVST) 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

 

[savagewind]

Mat 7:19-20 (ESVST) 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

The fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness and self control.

The Jehovah's Witnesses call the fruits which identify the "true religion" as people, books, buildings, hours, growth........

The goodness that JWs exhibit isn't always real. It is for an advertisement to get others to join them. I am not making this up.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

You're willing to accept all of the benefits your government provides

I totally, 100% agree with your post Katzput, except the quote above. They are willing to accept all of the benefits "OUR" government (not theirs) provides!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness and self control.

The Jehovah's Witnesses call the fruits which identify the "true religion" as people, books, buildings, hours, growth........

The goodness that JWs exhibit isn't always real. It is for an advertisement to get others to join them. I am not making this up.

Amen sister!! If someone approaches them on the street and wants to talk religion or ask them a question about their beliefs, they are trained to walk away because they won't have control of the situation. The only time they can respond is when you go to their kingdom hall or they come to your door. Other than that they are trained to think they are being attacked.

 

[savagewind]

Amen sister!! If someone approaches them on the street and wants to talk religion or ask them a question about their beliefs, they are trained to walk away because they won't have control of the situation. The only time they can respond is when you go to their kingdom hall or they come to your door. Other than that they are trained to think they are being attacked.

No. I think it is not true that they are taught not to talk about their religion in some circumstances. Many people are much too shy to do that so they don't.

I was a JW for almost twenty years. There was no instruction not to talk to anyone. I would have talked to people casually but no one ever asked.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

corrections have been made all through the years, the light is very bright now.

Maybe, but before the corrections were made you all lived and believed in errors. You were living and believing a lie! Who is the "FATHER OF LIES"? Who were you following while believing and living in error? The GB must have been "CONFUSED" about what God was telling them.

1Co 14:32-33 (ESVST) 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

 

[savagewind]

Maybe, but before the corrections were made you all lived and believed in errors. You were living and believing a lie! Who is the "FATHER OF LIES"? Who were you following while believing and living in error? The GB must have been "CONFUSED" about what God was telling them.

1Co 14:32-33 (ESVST) 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

It's preposterous that they are aware of false teachings by the governing body in the past that were to be believed to be of "one mind" with them but are confident in them to be correct presently and call it "the truth". How can they profess Jehovah God but call error "truth"?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Pro 4:1-2 (ESVST) 1 Hear, O sons, a father's instruction, and be attentive, that you may gain insight, 2 for I give you good precepts; do not forsake my teaching.

Proverbs 4:1-17 Is a father telling his sons to listen to his teachings about wisdom, the way of the righteous, the way of the wicked. How to live a righteous life and how to avoid the way of the wicked. Then, all of a sudden, in verse 18 he tells them a prophecy about the future slave and how their truth will get brighter and brighter. Then in verses 19-27 goes back to telling them to heed to his teachings and avoid the way of the wicked. How does that make "ANY" sense whatsoever!!