Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[Pegg]

Everyone who puts their trust in the atoning work of Christ. You think there's only going to be, 143,985 "OTHER SHEEP?" Minus an estimated 15 members of the GB.

I dont know where you get that idea from????

The GB are not the only anointed ones. The 'Other sheep' are not only a small number.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

No, this is the greatest blasphemy ever perpetrated in the name of Christianity. Satan is laughing at his own visible organization.

*** w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***
But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy. (Compare John 6:66-69.)

Jn 6:66-68 (ESVST) 66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the Twelve, "Do you want to go away as well?" 68 Simon Peter answered him, " Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

Act 4:10-12 (ESVST) . 11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Jn 15:10-11 (ESVST) . 11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

How dare they compare themselves with Jesus! Peter said Jesus has the words of eternal life. How can they compare their claim with John 6:66

There is salvation in NO ONE but Jesus. But they claim there is no place else to get it.!! BLASPHEMY!!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I dont know where you get that idea from????

The GB are not the only anointed ones. The 'Other sheep' are not only a small number.

*** w14 10/15 pp. 16-17 par. 16 You Will Become “a Kingdom of Priests” ***
Thus, the Kingdom covenant is made with the 144,000 anointed Christians.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

*** w14 10/15 p. 16 par. 11 You Will Become “a Kingdom of Priests” ***
The total number of those in the new covenant would be 144,000, making up a new nation—“the Israel of God”—spiritual Israel.

 

[JFish123]

Still don't understand the JW view that Jesus is the arc angel Michael. There's no biblical support for it at all.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

*** w11 6/1 p. 12 Do All Faithful Christians Go to Heaven? ***
So, too, with this heavenly Kingdom. Jesus, the Lamb of God, rules with 144,000 corulers “bought from among mankind.”


*** w11 6/1 p. 12 Do All Faithful Christians Go to Heaven? ***
True, 144,000 is a small number compared with the number of all faithful ones, past and present. But this is understandable because the 144,000 are resurrected to heaven for a specific sacred assignment of work.


*** w11 7/1 p. 16 What Is God’s Kingdom? ***
How many people go to heaven? Jesus called them a “little flock.” (Luke 12:32) They will finally number 144,000, and they will rule over the earth with Jesus.—

 

[Pegg]

I hope you're right. "YOUR" eternity depends on it!

My eternity depends only on what I am doing.... not on what you are doing

 

[djhwoodwerks]

My eternity depends only on what I am doing.... not on what you are doing

Better pray you're right

 

[JFish123]

I dont know where you get that idea from????

The GB are not the only anointed ones. The 'Other sheep' are not only a small number.

But There's no verse where Jesus limits the citizenship in heaven to 144,000.
1 John 5:1 - "EVERYONE who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. Doesn't everyone who believes include everyone and not just a select 144,000 people?
How do you reconcile the Watchtower teaching that there will be an "anointed Class" in heaven and the "other sheep" on earth when John 10:16 clearly says that ALL believers will be together in "one flock" under "one shepherd?"

 

[JayJayDee]

Jesus was talking to the 12 apostles, why does it stop with them? Jesus only sent out 84 disciples and you believe everyone today is commanded to do it.

Since the "good news of the kingdom" was to be preached "in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations" by Christ's disciples before the foretold "end" or the conclusion of "the system of things", it's hard to imagine that a few disciples in the first century, now long dead, we're going to accomplish that work. (Matt 10:11-15; 24:14; 28:19, 20)

The commission to preach is incumbent on ALL Christians. Those NOT doing it are pretending to be Christ's disciples, picking and choosing the bits that suit them and ignoring the bits that don't.

By putting Jesus in place of his God and Father they breaking the first commandment. (Matt 7:21-23)

By celebrating pagan festivals when were told to separate from those "unclean" things, they will not be accepted as God's sons and daughters. (2 Cor 6:14-18)

We are all accountable for what we do...and what we fail to do.

 

[JFish123]

*** w11 6/1 p. 12 Do All Faithful Christians Go to Heaven? ***
So, too, with this heavenly Kingdom. Jesus, the Lamb of God, rules with 144,000 corulers “bought from among mankind.”


*** w11 6/1 p. 12 Do All Faithful Christians Go to Heaven? ***
True, 144,000 is a small number compared with the number of all faithful ones, past and present. But this is understandable because the 144,000 are resurrected to heaven for a specific sacred assignment of work.


*** w11 7/1 p. 16 What Is God’s Kingdom? ***
How many people go to heaven? Jesus called them a “little flock.” (Luke 12:32) They will finally number 144,000, and they will rule over the earth with Jesus.—

The Watchtower interpretation of Luke 12:32 violates the context of the passage. A look at the context shows that Luke 12:22-34 (all 13 verses) is a Single unit.
It begins this way...
"And He (Jesus) said to His disciples..."
The entire unit from verse 22 to 34 contains words spoken by Jesus directly to His earthly disciplines in the first century. By no stretch of the imagination then, can Luke 12:32 be made to relate to a select group of 144,000 members if an anointed class that would develop from the first century to the year 1935. The Jehovahs Witnesses are reading soothing into the text that simply is not there.
Jesus refers to His disciples as Sheep in His flock (Matthew 10:16, 26:31). Jesus called them little flock because they were a small defenseless group that could easily be prayed upon.
That belief that the JW has is NOT based on scripture but an alleged "revelation" given to J.F. Rutherford.
And Jesus Never restricted the Kingdom to a mere 144,000. He taught that ALL people should seek the Kingdom (Heaven), and said that whoever sought it would find it (Matthew 9:35-38, Mark 1:14-15, Luke 12:22-34).

 

[JFish123]

Since the "good news of the kingdom" was to be preached "in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations" by Christ's disciples before the foretold "end" or the conclusion of "the system of things", it's hard to imagine that a few disciples in the first century, now long dead, we're going to accomplish that work. (Matt 10:11-15; 24:14; 28:19, 20)

The commission to preach is incumbent on ALL Christians. Those NOT doing it are pretending to be Christ's disciples, picking and choosing the bits that suit them and ignoring the bits that don't.

By putting Jesus in place of his God and Father they breaking the first commandment. (Matt 7:21-23)

By celebrating pagan festivals when were told to separate from those "unclean" things, they will not be accepted as God's sons and daughters. (2 Cor 6:14-18)

We are all accountable for what we do...and what we fail to do.

Well Jesus is God so not breaking commandment. And What pagan festivals do you mean? Like Birthdays? They celebrated them in the time of Job. And not going door to door means were not following Jesus? Paul didn't go door to door. He went from house church to house church. The disciples went to a house that would take them in and preach to the town, not going door to door. So I don't get your point.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Col 1:21-23 (ESVST) 21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, 22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

I think we're done, huh? JW's, sit back and kick your shoes off the job has been finished. Oh dang, that's probably a prophecy, huh?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The commission to preach is incumbent on ALL Christians.

Preaching is incumbent on ALL Christians, but the New Covenant isn't? The anointed get to sit in nice comfy offices and houses while "The Other Sheep" work their tails off preaching? And then the anointed get to go to heaven but the other sheep stay on earth after doing all the preaching work? If the GB is so high and mighty, they should be out there preaching right along with you. The anointed of God will have more of an impact on people than non-anointed people would, don't you think?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

*** w89 9/15 p. 23 par. 13 Be Obedient to Those Taking the Lead ***
13 In the world, there is a tendency to reject leadership. As one lecturer said: “The rising education level has improved the talent pool such that followers have become so critical that they are almost impossible to lead."

As one lecturer said? Why not give their name? This is why the GB discourages higher education, the people will be impossible to lead, they won't be controllable!


*** w89 9/15 p. 23 par. 13 Be Obedient to Those Taking the Lead ***
But a spirit of independent thinking does not prevail in God’s organization, and we have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us.

Nope, can't have people thinking for themselves. They won't be able to control you!

Jer 17:5 (ESVST) 5 Thus says the Lord: " Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength

 

[djhwoodwerks]

No, you still carry Catholic beliefs

Lol! I am not, nor have ever been a Catholic.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The Catholics are the mother church of the JW's.

 

[Pegg]

Still don't understand the JW view that Jesus is the arc angel Michael. There's no biblical support for it at all.

*** w14 10/15 pp. 16-17 par. 16 You Will Become “a Kingdom of Priests” ***
Thus, the Kingdom covenant is made with the 144,000 anointed Christians.

along with the 144000, there is a 'Great Crowd' who also serve God before his throne.

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000,+ sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel...'
Vs9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne,+ and to the Lamb.”

There is a little flock and a other sheep according to Jesus. The Other Sheep are 'not of this fold' So there is obviously a difference between these two groups. If you cannot see that then it must be because you refuse to see it.

 

[Pegg]

Better pray you're right

Galatians 6:3 For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing,+ he is deceiving himself. 4 But let each one examine his own actions,+ and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person.+ 5 For each one will carry his own load.

 

[Pegg]

Still don't understand the JW view that Jesus is the arc angel Michael. There's no biblical support for it at all.

What does the Arch Angel mean to you? What do you understand it to be??