Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[JFish123]

... Dark.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

God wants us to take the world back by letting our light shine. He doesn't want us to do it with politics, wars or force.

Edit - I would add scaring people to that list.

We are to be the salt of the earth!

I agree, God doesn't want us to use force to take the world back, but how anyone in government witness the light we are to shine unless we are part of it? You can let your light shine bright every day, but what part of government would notice? If you let your light shine where you live, and I do the same where I live, who in Washington would notice? Now, if there were many Christians in government, and lead as led by Christ the whole of the world would see the light.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Interesting. It seems to me God wills knowledge to demons before people. WHY??????????

Right on SW!! Why did God will knowledge to Christendom before His "ONLY" channel to the world? Christendom knew the JW's were teaching false prophecy all those years, and taught against it. And JW's know it's true, that's why they hate Christendom, because they spread lies about the WTBTS being false prophets. But God didn't will His "OWN" true people to the knowledge until 2013! Hmmm, what's wrong with that picture??

I wish "ONE" JW would have the courage to answer this question. But, I won't hold my breath!

The GB taught as a "TRUTH" for 100 years the error of 1919, which Christendom taught against and called the WTBTS false prophets and false teachers. As of the "NEW LIGHT" in 2013 when the God finally revealed the truth to the GB. Who, for those 100 years were teaching the "TRUTH" Christendom or the GB? This is a question that has an A or B answer. No long speech or clarification needed. Just answer the question! Choose one.

A: GB
B: Christendom

WHO TAUGHT THE TRUTH??

 

[kjw47]

Yes, the shed blood of Jesus makes one alive.

If Jesus makes one alive, what were they prior to being made alive? Are they not dead in their sins, as the Scripture says? What kind of dead were they?

Please reread my post and then address the questions. If you cannot, I understand.

Here it is again. The questions I asked are in red.

So you don't believe Adam and Eve died spiritually the day they disobeyed God?

You never answered my question. In Eph. 2, Paul says, "He made us alive." He's speaking past tense. Doesn't one have to be dead first in order to be made alive?

And you believe that when God said, "In the day you eat....you will surely die," God is using the word DAY figuratively?

Everytime the word DAY is used in the Bible, is it used figuratively? Does it always mean 1000 years? How do you know when to apply literal or figurative?

What in Genesis has told you that God meant DAY in this passage to mean 1000 years?

Before Jesus died the ransom sacrifice--none had a chance ever to enter Gods kingdom, not until the ransom sacrifice. In that way were dead but given an opportunity to enter Gods kingdom and gain life everlasting.Without Jesus accomplishing what he did the door remained closed to all. so all were dead in that aspect, Jesus opened the door to be made alive.

 

[kjw47]

Interesting. It seems to me God wills knowledge to demons before people. WHY??????????

you are mistaken--Gods word teaches--even the angels are desiring to peer into truths. 1Peter 1:12
So if the angels don't know--the demons surely do not know--it keeps them in spiritual darkness.

 

[kjw47]

You're correct, no one was made alive, physically, because there was not a resurrection. So what did Paul mean when he said we "WERE DEAD" in our trespasses? They were still alive or they couldn't be talking, right?

Eph 2:3-6 (ESVST) 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ — by grace you have been saved — 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,


Having been "BURIED" with Him in baptism. No one dies and is buried physically, but spiritually. And raised, spiritually through faith to live as a new creature. Old things have passed away, behold all things have become new.

Col 2:11-14 (ESVST) , 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands.

What is the record of debt that stood against us with it's legal demands? "SIN"

2Co 7:2 (ESVST) 2 Make room in your hearts for us. We have wronged no one, we have corrupted no one, we have taken advantage of no one.

How could Paul say that? Didn't he persecute the church? Didn't he murder Christians? Didn't he throw Christians in prison? How could he say he wronged no one?

Yes saul was an absolute #1 terrorist to the true Christians. He was obviously referring to himself once he became a true Christian( because he had repented)

 

[kjw47]

Exactly SW! That's why all they preach on the street is "THE END IS NEAR" to scare people into listening to them and then they promise them peace and safety on paradise earth. They know if they preach Jesus and Him crucified like the Apostles did, no one would listen to them. So they prey on the fears of people.

Your post is not truth. The GB are the only teachers on earth who have a true understanding of the Daniel-Revelation prophecys. We can clearly see how close it is.
The good news of Gods kingdom is what will be preached in the last days. Matt 24:14)
Most view Har-mageddon as something bad--but Gods word says it is good news for all of creation. It ushers in Gods kingdom. Its only bad news for the wicked.( what God says is wicked)

 

[katiemygirl]

Before Jesus died the ransom sacrifice--none had a chance ever to enter Gods kingdom, not until the ransom sacrifice. In that way were dead but given an opportunity to enter Gods kingdom and gain life everlasting.Without Jesus accomplishing what he did the door remained closed to all. so all were dead in that aspect, Jesus opened the door to be made alive.

Thank you kjw47. I appreciate your attempt at answering at least one of my questions.

However, you did not answer my other questions. Would you please do that?

Here they are again.

Do you believe that when God said, "In the day you eat....you will surely die," God is using the word DAY figuratively?

Everytime the word DAY is used in the Bible, is it used figuratively? Does it always mean 1000 years? How do you know when to apply literal or figurative?

What in Genesis has told you that God meant DAY in this passage to mean 1000 years?

Here is 2 Peter 3:8 in two different translations.

But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. (NASB)

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (KJV)

Isn't Peter using similies in this verse, which is a figurative use of language that compares two different things??

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Your post is not truth. The GB are the only teachers on earth who have a true understanding of the Daniel-Revelation prophecys. We can clearly see how close it is.
The good news of Gods kingdom is what will be preached in the last days. Matt 24:14)
Most view Har-mageddon as something bad--but Gods word says it is good news for all of creation. It ushers in Gods kingdom. Its only bad news for the wicked.( what God says is wicked)

My post is true! Every JW that I have met started out with, "what do you think of the world today?" "Do you know what God's plan for the earth is?" " What do you think of a world without sickness, pain, shootings and so on?" That's how they try and trap you. Are you telling me then when you approach some one you ask if they know Jesus? If they know the only way to heaven is thru the shed blood of Jesus?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I have a question for all JW's on this forum. How do you define "Dominion"? God gave us dominion over the earth, define "Dominion".

 

[kjw47]

Thank you kjw47. I appreciate your attempt at answering at least one of my questions.

However, you did not answer my other questions. Would you please do that?

Here they are again.

Do you believe that when God said, "In the day you eat....you will surely die," God is using the word DAY figuratively?

Everytime the word DAY is used in the Bible, is it used figuratively? Does it always mean 1000 years? How do you know when to apply literal or figurative?

What in Genesis has told you that God meant DAY in this passage to mean 1000 years?

Here is 2 Peter 3:8 in two different translations.

But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. (NASB)

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (KJV)

Isn't Peter using similies in this verse, which is a figurative use of language that compares two different things??

1) yes figuratively
2)I doubt every instance is for the 1000 years to a day.
3)Adam did not die on the day he ate of the tree, he lived many more years but fell short of the 1000 years. Genesis 5:5- (Adam lived 930 years)
4)I doubt it.

 

[kjw47]

My post is true! Every JW that I have met started out with, "what do you think of the world today?" "Do you know what God's plan for the earth is?" " What do you think of a world without sickness, pain, shootings and so on?" That's how they try and trap you. Are you telling me then when you approach some one you ask if they know Jesus? If they know the only way to heaven is thru the shed blood of Jesus?

The shed blood of Jesus only opened the door, one must meet all of the requirements set forth in Gods written word. And Paul teaches that anyone who practices a sin is not covered by the shed blood of Jesus( Hebrews 10:26) ---- The great multitude is not promised heaven in any passage in the bible. It says--they will be standing before the throne of God. The throne of God is Gods kingdom rulership, no matter where one is standing at that point, on earth, the moon, or heaven, they will be standing before the throne. It will be the only ruling power in existence( Daniel 2:44)--only the 144,000 are bought( with Jesus blood) to the promise of heaven( Rev 14:3)--the little flock-Luke 12:32)-- these are the bride of Christ= the anointed.
The Jw,s don't try to trap anyone, those questions lead to the answers about--the good news of Gods kingdom. thus--proper questions to ask to see if any interest is there.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The shed blood of Jesus only opened the door, one must meet all of the requirements set forth in Gods written word. And Paul teaches that anyone who practices a sin is not covered by the shed blood of Jesus( Hebrews 10:26) ---- The great multitude is not promised heaven in any passage in the bible. It says--they will be standing before the throne of God. The throne of God is Gods kingdom rulership, no matter where one is standing at that point, on earth, the moon, or heaven, they will be standing before the throne. It will be the only ruling power in existence( Daniel 2:44)--only the 144,000 are bought( with Jesus blood) to the promise of heaven( Rev 14:3)--the little flock-Luke 12:32)-- these are the bride of Christ= the anointed.
The Jw,s don't try to trap anyone, those questions lead to the answers about--the good news of Gods kingdom. thus--proper questions to ask to see if any interest is there.

Where does the Bible say the 144,000 are the little flock? Where does it say God only has a "LITTLE" flock? Where does it say "ONLY" the 144,000 are under the New Covenant?

 

[katiemygirl]

1) yes figuratively
2)I doubt every instance is for the 1000 years to a day.
3)Adam did not die on the day he ate of the tree, he lived many more years but fell short of the 1000 years. Genesis 5:5- (Adam lived 930 years)
4)I doubt it.

Please give me the definition of a simile.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The Jw,s don't try to trap anyone, those questions lead to the answers about--the good news of Gods kingdom. thus--proper questions to ask to see if any interest is there.

Please show me one verse from the Epistles where any of the Apostles or Disciples "EVER" taught about paradise earth. You say Jesus said to preach the Kingdom of God, what did the Apostles and Disciples teach and preach? Do a word search of the Epistles, teach, taught, preach, preached and see what you come up with.

 

[JFish123]

The shed blood of Jesus only opened the door, one must meet all of the requirements set forth in Gods written word. And Paul teaches that anyone who practices a sin is not covered by the shed blood of Jesus( Hebrews 10:26) ---- The great multitude is not promised heaven in any passage in the bible. It says--they will be standing before the throne of God. The throne of God is Gods kingdom rulership, no matter where one is standing at that point, on earth, the moon, or heaven, they will be standing before the throne. It will be the only ruling power in existence( Daniel 2:44)--only the 144,000 are bought( with Jesus blood) to the promise of heaven( Rev 14:3)--the little flock-Luke 12:32)-- these are the bride of Christ= the anointed.
The Jw,s don't try to trap anyone, those questions lead to the answers about--the good news of Gods kingdom. thus--proper questions to ask to see if any interest is there.

First, I must point out, the Watchtowers interpretation of the bible mistranslates what the bible says to fit there ideology. Like in Revelation 7:4 they switch the interpretive methodology right in the middle of Revelation 7:4. What I mean by this is simply that they interpret the first half of the verse using a literal method of interpretation: "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000..."
They conclude from this that the so called anointed class will have Precisely 144,000 people.
But then, the second half of the verse is not interpreted literally: "from all the tribes of Israel." In other words, the Watchtower Society says there are literally 144,000 people, but this refers not to the literal tribes of Israel but to the anointed class of Jehovahs Witnesses.
There's no justification for switching methods of interpretation from literal to figurative right in the middle of Revelation 7:4 unless you want it to say what YOU want it to say. See my point about the Watchtower? They do it all the time I'm afraid.
They've even said that women are a part of this group, when Revelation 14:4 states: "it is these who have not defiled themselves with women." And since the masculine pronouns are used of this group, it shows that they are all men.
Also, no where in Revelation does it say a great multitude is exempt from heaven. Revelation 7:9 clearly refers to this great multitude as "standing before the throne and In Front of the lamb." And the Greek word for "before" (enopeon) in Revelation 7:9 is used a number of times in that book to speak to those who are in the physical presence of Gods Throne.
And third and most importantly, it is the clear testimony of Scripture that a heavenly destiny awaits ALL who believe in Jesus Christ, not just a select group of 144,000 anointed believers (Ephesians 2:19, Philippians 3:20, Colossians 3:1, Hebrews 3:1, 12:22, 2 Peter 1:10-11)
Drawing a dichotomy between those with a heavenly destiny and those with an earthly one has no warrant in scripture. ALL who believe in Christ are heirs of the heavenly Kingdom (Galatians 3:29, 4:28-31, Titus 3:7, James 2:5) the righteousness of God that leads to life in heaven is available "through faith in Jesus Christ for ALL who believe (Romans 3:21). Jesus Promised, "If anyone serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there He will be also (that is, heaven) (John 12:26). Jesus clearly affirmed that all believers will be together in "one flock" under "one shepherd" (John 10:16). There will not be two "folds" where one is on earth and the other in heaven. scripture is clear; One Fold, One Shepherd.
I hope you take these truths to heart.
Another falsehood by The Watchtower is the interpretation of Luke 12:32 that violates the context of the passage. They believe it refers to a select group of JW's. But A look at the context shows that Luke 12:22-34 (all 13 verses) is a Single unit.
It begins this way...
"And He (Jesus) said to His disciples..."
The entire unit from verse 22 to 34 contains words spoken by Jesus directly to His earthly disciplines in the first century. By no stretch of the imagination then, can Luke 12:32 be made to relate to a select group of 144,000 members of an anointed class that would develop from the first century to the year 1935. The Jehovahs Witnesses are reading something into the text that simply is not there.
Jesus refers to His disciples as Sheep in His flock (Matthew 10:16, 26:31). Jesus called them little flock because they were a small defenseless group that could easily be preyed upon.
That belief that the JW has is NOT based on scripture but an alleged "revelation" given to J.F. Rutherford.
And Jesus Never restricted the Kingdom to a mere 144,000. He taught that ALL people should seek the Kingdom (Heaven), and said that whoever sought it would find it (Matthew 9:35-38, Mark 1:14-15, Luke 12:22-34).

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Why do JW's refuse to answer my posed question in post, #2643?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Has any JW ever had the chance to read, or even see the book "The Finished Mystery"? Do any JW's even know the book exists?

 

[JayJayDee]

First, the words "only begotten" do not mean that Christ was created (as the heretic Arius taught). Rather they mean that He was "unique," "specially blessed," or "favored." Theologian John F. Walvoord in his classic book "Jesus Christ our Lord" rightly points out:
"The thought is clearly that Christ is the begotten of God in the sense that no other is."
Scholar Benjamin Warfield likewise comments: "the adjective 'only begotten' conveys the idea, not of derivation and subordination, but of uniqueness and consubstantiality: Jesus is all that God is, and He alone is this."

The word is "Monogenes" which is also used in scripture to describe firstborn humans. There is no qualification in the Bible that this word, as it is assigned to Jesus, is any different to any other "firstborn" or "only child".

Church scholars with a trinity to support have to read it onto the text. Since "the Word" (Logos) is not the only spirit "son of God" mentioned in the scriptures, he is definitely "firstborn" or "only begotten" in a unique or heavenly sense. He was the first and only direct creation of his Father (Rev 3:14) and he was used exclusively by the Father in all other creation, as a "master worker" (or "craftsman") but he is never called the Creator. (Prov 8:22, 30, 31) Jehovah alone is Creator and his firstborn was working alongside his Father in fashioning the raw materials that God had brought into being. This is what the Bible teaches....father and son were the "us" and "our" in Genesis 1....not as one "godhead" but as two separate entities. Was the pre-human Jesus a divine spirt, unique in all creation? Yes he was...but was he equal with his Father....NEVER!

Please provide a scripture where Jesus ever stated that he was equal to his Father.

Now the Trinity. Some JW think the trinity is unbiblical as the word is not found in the bible. But that doesn't make it unbiblical as the name Jehovah is not found in any legitimate Hebrew or Greek manuscript. The word was formed by superstitious Jewish scribes who joined the consonants YHWY with the vowels do Adonai. The result was Yahowah, or Jehovah.

The concept of a trinity is not found in the Bible. It is an introduced doctrine. Nowhere will you find a godhead mentioned as three gods in one entity. There is a reason why Jews do not believe in a triune God.....he never was part of Israel's belief system. Not from day one was Jehovah ever presented to them as anything but a single entity. Since Jesus was Jewish and taught his apostles from Jewish scripture, there is not one single mention of Jesus as anything but the "son of God". The title given to him by Christendom, "God the Son" does not exist anywhere in the scriptures.

The trinity did not exist as doctrine in "the church" until the fourth century when apostasy had well and truly taken over, as Jesus had foretold.

The trinity is a fraud! It is a blasphemy swallowed by a religious system that has no idea what Christianity ever was.
It is the "weeds" foretold by Jesus. You seem to have no idea how far back the rot goes. You accept what has been taught to you all your life without ever understanding how serious a deviation Christendom is from what Jesus taught.

So what about it being a pagan concept? By no means! The pagans taught the concept of a flood that killed most of humankind and the concept of a messiah like figure named Tammuz who was allegedly resurrected. Are those concepts false just because pagans taught remotely similar accounts?
The Babylonians and Assyrians believed in triads of gods in a pantheon of other gods. But these triads constituted three separate gods (polytheism) which is utterly different from the doctrine of the trinity-which maintains that there is only one God (monotheism) with three persons within the one godhead.

How clever to disguise three gods in one godhead...that means no polytheism.......right? Sure it does.

Think of a triangle...
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Oh, that explains everything........not. Let's examine your scriptural "evidence"..shall we?

There are three points but it is still one triangle. One God. The Trinity permeates throughout the Bible as here are a few examples....
For example, Peter refers to the saints who have been chosen "according to the foreknowledge of God The Father." (1 Peter 1:2)

And this proves what?

when Jesus made a post resurrection appearance to Thomas, the disciple worshipfully responded be addressing Him, "My Lord and MY GOD." (John 20:28)

You seem to overlook the fact that Thomas was demonstrating a lack of faith and his expression is one of shock. Was Jesus a "mighty one" to Thomas? This is what "theos" (god) means in Greek. It is not a word used exclusively for the Father. The shocked expression of a man expressing disbelief is hardly something to build a doctrine upon.

The Father also said of the Son, "Your throne O God, is forever and ever."

RS reads: “Of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.’” (KJ, NE, TEV, Dy, JB, NAB have similar renderings.) However, NW reads: “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your throne forever and ever.’” (AT, Mo, TC, By convey the same idea.)

Which rendering is harmonious with the context? The preceding verses say that God is speaking, not that he is being addressed; and the following verse uses the expression “God, thy God,” showing that the one addressed is not the Most High God but is a worshiper of that God. Hebrews 1:8 quotes from Psalm 45:6, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Obviously, the Bible writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God. Rather, Psalm 45:6, in RS, reads “Your divine throne.” (NE says, “Your throne is like God’s throne.” JP [verse 7]: “Thy throne given of God.”) Solomon, who was possibly the king originally addressed in Psalm 45, was said to sit “upon Jehovah’s throne.” (1 Chron. 29:23, NW) In harmony with the fact that God is the “throne,” or Source and Upholder of Christ’s kingship, Daniel 7:13, 14 and Luke 1:32 show that God confers such authority on him.

In Acts 5:3-4, we are told that lying to the Holy Spirit is equivalent to lying to God. Peter said,"Ananias, why has satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit,,, You have not lied to men but to God."
Besides being called God, each of the three persons are seen on different occasions to possess the attributes if deity.

Since God is the source of his holy spirit and the power behind the accomplishment of his will, this scripture is not proof of a trinity. Inference does not a doctrine make. It is God's spirit and God's son.....so all belong to him but are not a single godhead unless you want to read that into the text.

If there are no direct statements by either God or his Christ in the Bible, we cannot assume that a scripture says something we want to believe....especially not in connection with the very foundation doctrine of all faiths...WHO IS GOD?
We cannot worship a God we do know know. If we do not know him...he cannot know us.

Note the following examples:
All three persons possess the attribute of omnipresence:
The Father (1 Kings 8:27)
The Son (Matthew 28:20)
The Holy Spirit (psalm 139:7)
All three have the attribute of omniscience:
The Father (psalm 147:5)
The Son (John 16:30)
The Hy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:10)
All there have the attribute of omnipotence:
The Father (Psalm 135:6)
The Son (Matthew 28:18)
The Holy Spirit (Romans 15:19)
Holiness is ascribed to each of the three persons:
The Father (Revelation 15:4)
The Son (Acts 3:14)
The Holy Spirit (Romans 1:4)
Eternity is ascribed to each of the three persons:
The Father (Psalm 90:2)
The Son (Micah 5:2, John 1:4)
The Holy Spirit (Hebrews 9:14)
Each if the three persons is described as the Truth:
The Father (John 7:28)
The Son (Revelation 3:7)
The Holy Spirit (1 John 5:6)
Each of the three is called Lord (Luke 2:11, Romans 10:12, 2 Corinthians 3:17) each us called Everlasting (Romans 16:26, Hebrews 9:14, Revelation 22:13) each is called Almighty (Genesis 17:1, Romans 15:19, Revelation 1:8) and each is called Powerful (Jeremiah 32:17, Zechariah 4:6, Hebrews 1:3)
Can annoy one other than God have the Attributes of God?
In addition to having the attributes of deity, each of the three persons were involved in doing the works of deity. For example, all three were involved in the creation of the world:
The Father (Genesis 2:7, Psalm 102:25, 1 Corinthians 8:6)
The Son (John 1:3, Colossians 1;16, Hebrews 1:2)
The Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:2, Job 33:4, Psalm 104:30)
The there were also involved in the incarnation and resurrection but I won't go into those verses as I think these are good for now.

You can infer whatever you like if you are looking for scripture to support what you want to believe. But reading these things into the text doesn't make that interpretation correct.

The Bible teaches that there is one Creator...Yahweh (Jehovah) He was the single God of Israel and therefore the same God that Jesus both served and worshipped. (Luke 4:8) He continued to regard Jehovah as his God even after his return to heaven. (Rev 3:12) Any comment on that? Or the fact that Jesus called his Father "the only true God" without including himself. (John 17:3)

You and I could swap scripture till the cows come home....but it won't make a difference if we are determined to stick with what we know, despite the proofs furnished. change is hard! But it's what is required if we are searching for the truth.

At the end of the day, we will all determine for ourselves what we accept as truth. This is why God's judgment of us is so fair. No one is coerced to believe one way or the other. We place ourselves on either the road to life or the road to death by our own desire to believe what we want to believe. It tells God what is in our hearts.
No one can come to the son unless the Father "draws" them. (John 6:44) So God is the reader of hearts and will only reveal his truth to those he considers "worthy" of it. (Matt 10:11-15) We do not determine our own 'worthiness'.

I have come out of Christendom, so I have been on both sides of this fence. I have examined all the scriptures that are put forward to support the trinity and found it to be a fraud of colossal proportions.

I see clearly the pagan origin of much of Christendom's celebrations and how none of them are serving God's interests, but their own. (2 Cor 6:14-18; 2 Thess 2:9-12) They also serve the interests of the world's commercial system, not promoting the unadulterated worship of God.

 

[JayJayDee]

Why do JW's refuse to answer my posed question in post, #2643?

With the attitude you display, perhaps we don't want to throw our pearls under your feet.

What would you do with the answer anyway. You have chosen your position..it is duly noted.
Jehovah knows what is in your heart...and in fact, in all of our hearts. Let him be the judge.

The last days were going to see "ridiculers with their ridicule" (2 Pet 3:3, 4).....so this thread is just a fulfilment of prophesy as far as I can see. Shaking the dust off our feet is in order I think. (Matt 10:11-15)

You are free to believe whatever you wish.