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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

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djhwoodwerks

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1 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. 3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:1-3

Sounds like he's talking to people who are alive. So, why did he say they died? Was there a resurrection?


How was he dead? Separated from his father.
23 And bring the fattened calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate. 24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. ' And they began to celebrate. Luk 15:23-24





18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. Eph 4:18
 
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JFish123

Active Member
Pegg said:
WT 2004 May 1st Page 11 pg 14 -15

14 How does Jehovah speak to us? Consider Jeremiah again. Since Jeremiah was a prophet, Jehovah communicated directly with him. Jeremiah describes the effect of God’s words on his heart: “Your words were found, and I proceeded to eat them; and your word becomes to me the exultation and the rejoicing of my heart; for your name has been called upon me, O Jehovah God of armies.” (Jeremiah 15:16) Yes, Jeremiah delighted in the fact that God’s name had been called upon him, and His words were precious to the prophet. Hence, like the apostle Paul, Jeremiah was eager to declare the message entrusted to him.—Romans 1:15, 16.

15 Jehovah does not communicate directly with anyone today. However, we do have God’s words in the pages of the Bible. Hence, if we have a serious approach to our study of the Bible and meditate deeply on what we learn, God’s words will become “the exultation and the rejoicing” of our heart too.

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So long as you have a translation that speaks the truth. Otherwise you will be deceived by the very book you trust. And the Watchtowers translation has been universally refuted by Greek and Hebrew scholars since it first came out. Just a warning. You seem to love Jesus very much so just be aware of the translation you hold so dear. It might be that very thing that holds you in a bondage of blindness to the Truth of Christ. And I hope you really do take these words to heart. Jesus Christ is God. For when you see him in judgement separating the sheep from the Goats, you cannot say you were never told.
 
Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
JFish123 said:
So long as you have a translation that speaks the truth. Otherwise you will be deceived by the very book you trust. And the Watchtowers translation has been universally refuted by Greek and Hebrew scholars since it first came out. Just a warning. You seem to love Jesus very much so just be aware of the translation you hold so dear. It might be that very thing that holds you in a bondage of blindness to the Truth of Christ. And I hope you really do take these words to heart. Jesus Christ is God. For when you see him in judgement separating the sheep from the Goats, you cannot say you were never told.
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every trinitiarian scholar refutes the use of the name of God because it confuses people.

I have taken that to heart and I support the clear identification of Jehovah and the insertion of his name in his written word.
 
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djhwoodwerks

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JFish123 said:
So long as you have a translation that speaks the truth. Otherwise you will be deceived by the very book you trust. And the Watchtowers translation has been universally refuted by Greek and Hebrew scholars since it first came out. Just a warning. You seem to love Jesus very much so just be aware of the translation you hold so dear. It might be that very thing that holds you in a bondage of blindness to the Truth of Christ. And I hope you really do take these words to heart. Jesus Christ is God. For when you see him in judgement separating the sheep from the Goats, you cannot say you were never told.
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All JW's should research Johannes Greber and his ties to their Bible
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Pegg said:
if thats the case, why does he have some believing in a hellfire, others believing in a rapture, others purgatory, trinity, eternal souls....why all these different beliefs if God is directing them all?

That simply cannot be true. The house is too divided for it to be of God.
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The answer is simple. They don't STUDY the Scriptures for themselves. They go into the Bible with preconceived ideas, with the things they've been taught by parents and others they trust and love.

If a person is taught from a premillenialist viewpoint, he will see all Scriptures from that point of view.

Cognitive dissonance sets in. No one wants to be wrong and they don't want to believe the people who taught them, those whom they love and trust, could be wrong. It's too uncomfortable. It's easier to stay with what you've been taught. You refuse to see other points of view, even when they make sense.

Unless a person is ready to let go of what he thinks he knows, and puts his/her trust in the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, he/she will spend his/her life believing a lie.
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
"Mountain_Climber, post: 4334548, member: 57086"]You go to great length to put another face on these things which all are true because God himself is in the holy spirit, he being it's mind, he being it's emotions, and he being it's will.
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You just described the concept of the trinity. You say God is in the Holy Spirit. That makes them ONE. The same with Jesus. They are ONE. This is why we can say the Father is GOD, Jesus is GOD, the Holy Spirit is GOD.

GOD is a title, which represents the three. They are the one true GOD.
 
Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
djhwoodwerks said:
I would stand with the apostles, because they taught the truth. They spoke as the Spirit gave them utterance, not what they thought they understood.
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Ok great. They were the Governing body of the christian congregation back then in the first century. And today, we Jehovahs Witnesses also have a governing body who direct our preaching work and organise our congregations/assemblies/conventions/teaching program/distribution of funds etc etc etc.

Who directs the denomination you are apart of?
 
Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
JFish123 said:
So long as you have a translation that speaks the truth. Otherwise you will be deceived by the very book you trust. And the Watchtowers translation has been universally refuted by Greek and Hebrew scholars since it first came out. Just a warning. You seem to love Jesus very much so just be aware of the translation you hold so dear. It might be that very thing that holds you in a bondage of blindness to the Truth of Christ. And I hope you really do take these words to heart. Jesus Christ is God. For when you see him in judgement separating the sheep from the Goats, you cannot say you were never told.
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I'll let you in on a little secret... there is not one english bible which is 100% correctly translated. Every bible you use has translation errors and biases.
 
Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
katiemygirl said:
The answer is simple. They don't STUDY the Scriptures for themselves. They go into the Bible with preconceived ideas, with the things they've been taught by parents and others they trust and love.
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but didnt you say 'every christian is directed by God'?

You obviously dont believe that every denomination is following the path and teachings of Christ, so what makes you so sure that you have been taught is the truth?
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Pegg said:
WT 2004 May 1st Page 11 pg 14 -15

14 How does Jehovah speak to us? Consider Jeremiah again. Since Jeremiah was a prophet, Jehovah communicated directly with him. Jeremiah describes the effect of God’s words on his heart: “Your words were found, and I proceeded to eat them; and your word becomes to me the exultation and the rejoicing of my heart; for your name has been called upon me, O Jehovah God of armies.” (Jeremiah 15:16) Yes, Jeremiah delighted in the fact that God’s name had been called upon him, and His words were precious to the prophet. Hence, like the apostle Paul, Jeremiah was eager to declare the message entrusted to him.—Romans 1:15, 16.

15 Jehovah does not communicate directly with anyone today. However, we do have God’s words in the pages of the Bible. Hence, if we have a serious approach to our study of the Bible and meditate deeply on what we learn, God’s words will become “the exultation and the rejoicing” of our heart too.

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GOD no longer speaks DIRECTLY to men like He did Jeremiah and other prophets.

Men like Jeremiah spoke to the people as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Men like Jeremiah were INSPIRED. The GB is NOT!

In your quote above, Watchtower states that Jehovah does not communicate directly with anyone today. Yet they claim that the organization is spirit directed. They contradict themselves.

1. Watchtower - "God does not communicate directly with any one today."

2. Watchtower - "We are God's only spirit directed organization."

See the problem?
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Pegg said:
but didnt you say 'every christian is directed by God'?

You obviously dont believe that every denomination is following the path and teachings of Christ, so what makes you so sure that you have been taught is the truth?
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NEVER! No one is DIRECTED by the Holy Spirit today.

Every christian is guided into truth by the Holy Spirit, but many reject that truth in favor of what men teach.

That's why we have so many denominations.

I pray and examine the Scriptures daily to be sure that what I'm being told is true. There are times when I have told our elders that something they said was their opinion and not fact. We should always feel free to challenge. Do I have 100% perfect understanding? No, I don't. No one does. All I can do is to keep studying. That's what our GOD wants us to do.

I don't know that any denomination has perfect understanding of the truth, but I identify with those I believe come closest to what the Scriptures teach.
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Pegg said:
The bible.... its written there in the paragraph from the WT article i posted.
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The Watchtower refers to itself as Jehovah's spirit directed organization.

That contradicts the quote you posted.

Either they are spirit directed or they are not. Which is it?
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Mountain_Climber said:
Post 2712 was not a floating comment.

The post cited in it was obviously the subject of the comment.

I merely feel that you guys (and ladies) are going to the other extreme in your criticisms.
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There was no quote or post attached to your comment. Here's what you wrote.

"Is that another flawless opinion, positively spoken by the spirit?"

I asked who you were addressing it to.
 
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