Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

[JerryMyers]

YOUR WORDS....
As I have said earlier if God Himself had CLEARLY said besides Him, there’s no other God, then, any other sayings that said or implied that there’s ANOTHER God are just NONSENSE!!!

YES, those are my words and I will say it again - if God Himself had CLEARLY said besides Him, there’s no other God, then, any other sayings that said or implied that there’s ANOTHER God are just NONSENSE!!!
So if you disagree, then, state your case!!!

In every claim you made, in the context of the scripture, you must have a point of reference to determine the creditability of such a claim. My point of reference is the Words of God and the words of His prophets. Your point of reference seems to be the words of the authors/writers/the translators of the English-language Bibles. For example, you claim Jesus is God based on what the author/writer/translators of the Book of John wrote, like 'who himself is also God' in John 1:18. You are NOT going to find any verse that is similar, not even close to that in the gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke. Do you think Mark, Matthew, and Luke could have missed such a significant and important ‘fact’???!! HIGHLY UNLIKELY!!!

The bible of the JW's; New World Translation.. Points to this NONSENSE! (below)
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was A god.
JerryMyers Need I say any more... You stuck your foot into your own mouth!
Not one of the over sixty plus Ligament Scripture Scholars have the latter "A" in John 1:1! NO NOT ONE....The letter "A" was added 1800 years after the Christian Church was established by Jesus!
Christians teach and Believe Jesus is God! Satan and his followers (His Churches) teach "Jesus is NOT God"! They teach opposite to what Christians teach.. Satan is Anti-Christ!

YOU ARE BRINGING THIS UP WITH THE WRONG PERSON!! YOU SHOULD BE BRINGING THIS UP WITH @Clear, NOT WITH ME!!

Dogknox20, need I said anymore??? You stuck your foot into your own mouth!
If you cannot even keep track of who said what in your exchanges with the various posters in this thread, then, it’s not surprising that you talk NONSENSE as you are so lost and confused that you preach the words of other people as scripture!!! Poor old chap!!!

 

[Soapy]

Yes, context most certainly matters. So -- most people generally know what the word 'god' means - usually a super high power, over and above the one referring to him (or her, perhaps) as 'god.' (or goddess) Right? Perhaps we can look up definitions of what the word "god" means. Often spoken of in the male sense.
Here's one case, very interesting in my opinion, and see how you respond to it.
I looked up the word God in several dictionaries but came across this interesting statement in the simple English wikipedia, which starts out by saying --
"This article is about "God" in the context of monotheism. For the general concept of "a god", see Deity."
So interestingly enough, it speaks of God in the context of monotheism and a general concept in terms of deity. There's more, but how do you feel about that point?

In the context of monotheism, ‘God’ means:

• The deity worshipped by the nation of Israel as opposed to any other deity worshipped by other nations
• This deity claimed to be the single creator of all things spirit and physical perceived by creation
• This is in contrast to other beliefs wherein there are many deities who oversaw and maintain the spirit and physical realms and perceived by such creation

What I doing understand from trinitarian beliefs is how they turn:

• ‘Hear, O Israel, YHWH your God, IS ONE GOD’

into:

• ‘Hear, O Israel, YHWH your God, is [THREE PERSONS]’

Of course they will disagree with the false representation of the expression but nonetheless it is what they believe.

That one verse is critical to the belief of Jews and Christians.

No Jew believes that the God of the nation of Israel IS THREE PERSONS … it is stressed continually throughout the Old Testament that ‘Yhwh is your ONLY GOD’… how much clearer can it be.

But here is the trinitarian twist: They AGREE that ‘God’ is ONE GOD…. But think about it… WHY SAY THAT ‘ONE IS ONE’… again, what is the CONTEXT???

Well, it is this: YHWH God told his favoured nation of israel THAT THEG SHOULD NOT BELIEVE IN MANY GODS as the pagans do but to believe in HIM AS THEIR “ONLY GOD”.

See that word ‘ONLY’… it is misinterpreted DELIBERATELY and argued over by Trinitarians to say, ‘ONE’.

English language and the linguistics of it goes out of the window where trinity is involved. The trinitarian MUST believe the lie otherwise he will be thrown out of his congregation … or be disrobed by higher church authorities (Satan being the ultimate leader of such organisations: the Father of the lie!)

Now, where in the Old Testament does it say that Yhwh is three persons…. Nowhere!!

Therefore, the trinitarian must devise a solution to this very obvious disclaimer …

‘Let US create man in OUR image’! the trinitarian says this CLEARLY SHOWS THAT GOD IS THREE PERSONS!!!

…. Ok, let’s have a look at this claim.

What is ‘Image of God’?

No immediate answer from the trinitarian!!!!!!!!

Eventually the answer comes (why the delay?) that it means the same NATURE as God… and this is backed up by scriptures saying that:

• ‘Jesus is the very IMAGE OF GOD’.

Oh, oh…. And THEREFORE IS GOD!!

But hold on …. (Sorry, I’m writing as I’m thinking!!) Isnt ‘GOD’ defined by trinity as ‘THREE PERSONS’?

So if Jesus is God, the very image of God, the very representation of HIM….! ( Ooops… them?? I’m confused? ) then isnt Jesus: ‘Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: The three persons OF GOD’?

This is called, ‘Recursion’. Something defined as itself!!!:

1. Trinity defines ‘God’ as ‘Father, Son, and Holy Spirit’
2. ‘Son’ is called as ‘God’
3. :. ‘Son’ is ‘Father, SON, and Holy Spirit’: ‘God’!!

Again, trinitarian will disclaim conclusion .) of the two premises because they will see the farce that it is…!

But hold on!!! ADAM was created ‘IMAGE OF GOD’!
Ermmm…. ‘Adam IS GOD’….!!?? Image of GOD means being God, says trinity. In fact, mankind is image of God… We are all, therefore, the ONE GOD… according to trinity!!!

Again, let us revisit the ‘Us’ and ‘We’ …

Image of God is the problem. The Holy angels were already created and WITH GOD and it was to them that God said, ‘Let US created man in our image…’

So we revisit image of God and what it means:

• Intelligence
• Wisdom
• Able to rule
• Righteous
• Sinless
• Holy
• Creative
• Loving
• Analytical
• Ability to design and develop innately
• Self-Willed
• Able to judge highly
• Powerful
• Majestic
• Mighty
• ….

No! Holy angels are not God! But they are IMAGE OF GOD but in lesser terms than YHWH GOD.
Hence, Scriptures says that ‘Ye are Gods…!’ But really, ‘Ye are images of THE ONLY God’!

People rail at the thought of the next part:
It was to the ANGEL (namely the HIGHEST OF THE ANGELS … who later rebelled and was called ‘Satan’ and ‘a Satan’ and ‘Devil) to whom Yhwh said, ‘Let us create man in our image … after our kind’
‘Satan, created the lifeless body of the first man of humanity… but it was YHWH who enlivens that body:

• ‘And God blew the breath of life into the man and he became a LIVING SOUL’

What’s the problem?? Angels cannot create lifeless bodies? So how then did the Nephilim come about. These were awful giant children of the uniting of demon-spirited BODIES with human female bodies…

The demon angels could only create lifeless bodies - could not enliven those bodies so they put THEMSELVES in them to enliven them. The raping of human women created offspring that were MIGHTIER than human offsprings because angels are MIGHTIER than humans… but their high intelligence was not transferred to the Nephilim offspring.

And see here: Are we human beings even today not creating ‘BODIES’ ourselves… do we not put OUR SPIRIT in them … namely by our intelligence in mechanics, bioengineering, chemistry, biology, physics, electro communication, computer software programmes, artificial intelligence and augmented reality???

And yet: ‘Man was created a little less than the angels - for a time!???

So no… it wasn’t ‘God talking to God’ saying ‘Let us… and we…’. But trinity can find no other way to derive itself from the Old Testament.

Going back to your question. Monotheism is therefore only a definition required by Trinitarians as there is no other belief that claims more than one ‘unity God’. Without the ridiculous claim that there are three ‘persons’ in the one God of Israel, Jews, and Christians, there would be no need to make a claim that ‘GOD IS ONE GOD’!!

It can easily be seen how not one single trinitarian can define trinity in a complete or even near complete manner: If always comes down to : ‘Trinity is UNFATHOMABLE BECAUSE YOUR MIND IS TOO TINY TO UNDERSTAND GOD!’

Of course, trinity also ironically claims that their belief is ‘A Mystery’ and ‘INCOMPREHENSIBLE’…

Basically, trinity defines itself as ‘Baloney’!!

Satan is having a great laugh at his children believing the lie - the lie of which he is the Father!!

So… no need for ‘monotheism’ in true Christian belief:

• ‘For us, there is only ONE GOD: YHWH: THE FATHER, and ONE Lord, Jesus Christ’

and:

• ‘Eternal life depends on believing in [you, Father: YHWH] THE ONLY TRUE GOD. And in Jesus Christ WHOM YOU (YHWH) sent’

‘One God’… monotheism does not protect from belief in MANY GODS RULING IN HEIRACHY like other religious belief system.

The argument and point of the Israelite deity is that he told his favoured nation that ‘He, and He alone, created all things’

Other belief systems claimed many creators and maintainers such as the Greek and Philistines, Egyptians, Romans, etc.

Trinitarian beliefs muddle these up claiming there are MORE THAN ONE IN THE MONO-GOD

• But that ALL THREE CREATED
• But that ONLY THE SON CREATED
• But the Father ALONE creates THROUGH the Son
• But that the two created by means of the third, the Holy Spirit…!

Why these listed points that run counter to each other?

Over time, since trinity was devised, massive flaws are found in trinity concerning the mono-ethity of the belief - therefore each generation modifies the claims of trinity to try to induce a conformity - never reaching any concluding point though.

Sadly, as each error is discovered, rather than admit the belief is wrong, trinity merely covers it up with an new sticking plaster. The latest being that:

• ‘God is ESSENCE of which the three persons share’

In other words, this monotheistic GOD is ESSENCE (but no one knows what is meant by ‘Essence’… go ahead, ask them…. No idea!!)

Think this though: Three fish in a fishbowl of which the water in the bowl is the ESSENCE. All three fish SHARE the water… whatever ‘power, authority, wisdom, intelligence, rulership, majesty, love, …’ the ‘water’ is composed of, all three fish share in it: each has the same …..

But check this: if having the essence of God (being in the fishbowl water) makes you ALL POWERFUL… why is there a need for THREE EQUAL ALL POWERFULS???

And yet trinity says the three ALL EQUAL POWERFUL DEITIES are RANKED with the Father as the GREATEST EQUAL ALL POWERFUL…

Ok, man is image of THREE ALL POWERFUL DEITIES. Ask if man is there all powerful persons….!!!

‘body soul and spirit’ retorts the trinitarian!!!

Really?? Excuse me… ‘Soul’ is ‘BODY and Spirit’.

Soul is not ‘one part of a human being’ while body and spirit are two other parts. Soul just means ‘person’… who on earth(??) or in Heaven says:

• MAN is Person, body, and Spirit??

God is Spirit… Totally Unlimited

Man is SPIRIT - LIMITED TO PHYSICAL BOUNDS by a PHYSICAL BODY!!

Monotheism… what Monotheism!?

 

[Soapy]

YES, those are my words and I will say it again - if God Himself had CLEARLY said besides Him, there’s no other God, then, any other sayings that said or implied that there’s ANOTHER God are just NONSENSE!!!
So if you disagree, then, state your case!!!

In every claim you made, in the context of the scripture, you must have a point of reference to determine the creditability of such a claim. My point of reference is the Words of God and the words of His prophets. Your point of reference seems to be the words of the authors/writers/the translators of the English-language Bibles. For example, you claim Jesus is God based on what the author/writer/translators of the Book of John wrote, like 'who himself is also God' in John 1:18. You are NOT going to find any verse that is similar, not even close to that in the gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke. Do you think Mark, Matthew, and Luke could have missed such a significant and important ‘fact’???!! HIGHLY UNLIKELY!!!


YOU ARE BRINGING THIS UP WITH THE WRONG PERSON!! YOU SHOULD BE BRINGING THIS UP WITH @Clear, NOT WITH ME!!

Dogknox20, need I said anymore??? You stuck your foot into your own mouth!
If you cannot even keep track of who said what in your exchanges with the various posters in this thread, then, it’s not surprising that you talk NONSENSE as you are so lost and confused that you preach the words of other people as scripture!!! Poor old chap!!!

He needs to bring up JW stuff because he cannot refute what you say. He therefore tries to force an ideology into your debate so that he can attack it such that others believe you said it….

Yeah! They do that to me, too

 

[YoursTrue]

In the context of monotheism, ‘God’ means:

• The deity worshipped by the nation of Israel as opposed to any other deity worshipped by other nations
• This deity claimed to be the single creator of all things spirit and physical perceived by creation
• This is in contrast to other beliefs wherein there are many deities who oversaw and maintain the spirit and physical realms and perceived by such creation

What I doing understand from trinitarian beliefs is how they turn:

• ‘Hear, O Israel, YHWH your God, IS ONE GOD’

into:

• ‘Hear, O Israel, YHWH your God, is [THREE PERSONS]’

Of course they will disagree with the false representation of the expression but nonetheless it is what they believe.

That one verse is critical to the belief of Jews and Christians.

No Jew believes that the God of the nation of Israel IS THREE PERSONS … it is stressed continually throughout the Old Testament that ‘Yhwh is your ONLY GOD’… how much clearer can it be.

But here is the trinitarian twist: They AGREE that ‘God’ is ONE GOD…. But think about it… WHY SAY THAT ‘ONE IS ONE’… again, what is the CONTEXT???

Well, it is this: YHWH God told his favoured nation of israel THAT THEG SHOULD NOT BELIEVE IN MANY GODS as the pagans do but to believe in HIM AS THEIR “ONLY GOD”.

See that word ‘ONLY’… it is misinterpreted DELIBERATELY and argued over by Trinitarians to say, ‘ONE’.

English language and the linguistics of it goes out of the window where trinity is involved. The trinitarian MUST believe the lie otherwise he will be thrown out of his congregation … or be disrobed by higher church authorities (Satan being the ultimate leader of such organisations: the Father of the lie!)

Now, where in the Old Testament does it say that Yhwh is three persons…. Nowhere!!

Therefore, the trinitarian must devise a solution to this very obvious disclaimer …

‘Let US create man in OUR image’! the trinitarian says this CLEARLY SHOWS THAT GOD IS THREE PERSONS!!!

…. Ok, let’s have a look at this claim.

What is ‘Image of God’?

No immediate answer from the trinitarian!!!!!!!!

Eventually the answer comes (why the delay?) that it means the same NATURE as God… and this is backed up by scriptures saying that:

• ‘Jesus is the very IMAGE OF GOD’.

Oh, oh…. And THEREFORE IS GOD!!

But hold on …. (Sorry, I’m writing as I’m thinking!!) Isnt ‘GOD’ defined by trinity as ‘THREE PERSONS’?

So if Jesus is God, the very image of God, the very representation of HIM….! ( Ooops… them?? I’m confused? ) then isnt Jesus: ‘Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: The three persons OF GOD’?

This is called, ‘Recursion’. Something defined as itself!!!:

1. Trinity defines ‘God’ as ‘Father, Son, and Holy Spirit’
2. ‘Son’ is called as ‘God’
3. :. ‘Son’ is ‘Father, SON, and Holy Spirit’: ‘God’!!

Again, trinitarian will disclaim conclusion .) of the two premises because they will see the farce that it is…!

But hold on!!! ADAM was created ‘IMAGE OF GOD’!
Ermmm…. ‘Adam IS GOD’….!!?? Image of GOD means being God, says trinity. In fact, mankind is image of God… We are all, therefore, the ONE GOD… according to trinity!!!

Again, let us revisit the ‘Us’ and ‘We’ …

Image of God is the problem. The Holy angels were already created and WITH GOD and it was to them that God said, ‘Let US created man in our image…’

So we revisit image of God and what it means:

• Intelligence
• Wisdom
• Able to rule
• Righteous
• Sinless
• Holy
• Creative
• Loving
• Analytical
• Ability to design and develop innately
• Self-Willed
• Able to judge highly
• Powerful
• Majestic
• Mighty
• ….

No! Holy angels are not God! But they are IMAGE OF GOD but in lesser terms than YHWH GOD.
Hence, Scriptures says that ‘Ye are Gods…!’ But really, ‘Ye are images of THE ONLY God’!

People rail at the thought of the next part:
It was to the ANGEL (namely the HIGHEST OF THE ANGELS … who later rebelled and was called ‘Satan’ and ‘a Satan’ and ‘Devil) to whom Yhwh said, ‘Let us create man in our image … after our kind’
‘Satan, created the lifeless body of the first man of humanity… but it was YHWH who enlivens that body:

• ‘And God blew the breath of life into the man and he became a LIVING SOUL’

What’s the problem?? Angels cannot create lifeless bodies? So how then did the Nephilim come about. These were awful giant children of the uniting of demon-spirited BODIES with human female bodies…

The demon angels could only create lifeless bodies - could not enliven those bodies so they put THEMSELVES in them to enliven them. The raping of human women created offspring that were MIGHTIER than human offsprings because angels are MIGHTIER than humans… but their high intelligence was not transferred to the Nephilim offspring.

And see here: Are we human beings even today not creating ‘BODIES’ ourselves… do we not put OUR SPIRIT in them … namely by our intelligence in mechanics, bioengineering, chemistry, biology, physics, electro communication, computer software programmes, artificial intelligence and augmented reality???

And yet: ‘Man was created a little less than the angels - for a time!???

So no… it wasn’t ‘God talking to God’ saying ‘Let us… and we…’. But trinity can find no other way to derive itself from the Old Testament.

Going back to your question. Monotheism is therefore only a definition required by Trinitarians as there is no other belief that claims more than one ‘unity God’. Without the ridiculous claim that there are three ‘persons’ in the one God of Israel, Jews, and Christians, there would be no need to make a claim that ‘GOD IS ONE GOD’!!

It can easily be seen how not one single trinitarian can define trinity in a complete or even near complete manner: If always comes down to : ‘Trinity is UNFATHOMABLE BECAUSE YOUR MIND IS TOO TINY TO UNDERSTAND GOD!’

Of course, trinity also ironically claims that their belief is ‘A Mystery’ and ‘INCOMPREHENSIBLE’…

Basically, trinity defines itself as ‘Baloney’!!

Satan is having a great laugh at his children believing the lie - the lie of which he is the Father!!

So… no need for ‘monotheism’ in true Christian belief:

• ‘For us, there is only ONE GOD: YHWH: THE FATHER, and ONE Lord, Jesus Christ’

and:

• ‘Eternal life depends on believing in [you, Father: YHWH] THE ONLY TRUE GOD. And in Jesus Christ WHOM YOU (YHWH) sent’

‘One God’… monotheism does not protect from belief in MANY GODS RULING IN HEIRACHY like other religious belief system.

The argument and point of the Israelite deity is that he told his favoured nation that ‘He, and He alone, created all things’

Other belief systems claimed many creators and maintainers such as the Greek and Philistines, Egyptians, Romans, etc.

Trinitarian beliefs muddle these up claiming there are MORE THAN ONE IN THE MONO-GOD

• But that ALL THREE CREATED
• But that ONLY THE SON CREATED
• But the Father ALONE creates THROUGH the Son
• But that the two created by means of the third, the Holy Spirit…!

Why these listed points that run counter to each other?

Over time, since trinity was devised, massive flaws are found in trinity concerning the mono-ethity of the belief - therefore each generation modifies the claims of trinity to try to induce a conformity - never reaching any concluding point though.

Sadly, as each error is discovered, rather than admit the belief is wrong, trinity merely covers it up with an new sticking plaster. The latest being that:

• ‘God is ESSENCE of which the three persons share’

In other words, this monotheistic GOD is ESSENCE (but no one knows what is meant by ‘Essence’… go ahead, ask them…. No idea!!)

Think this though: Three fish in a fishbowl of which the water in the bowl is the ESSENCE. All three fish SHARE the water… whatever ‘power, authority, wisdom, intelligence, rulership, majesty, love, …’ the ‘water’ is composed of, all three fish share in it: each has the same …..

But check this: if having the essence of God (being in the fishbowl water) makes you ALL POWERFUL… why is there a need for THREE EQUAL ALL POWERFULS???

And yet trinity says the three ALL EQUAL POWERFUL DEITIES are RANKED with the Father as the GREATEST EQUAL ALL POWERFUL…

Ok, man is image of THREE ALL POWERFUL DEITIES. Ask if man is there all powerful persons….!!!

‘body soul and spirit’ retorts the trinitarian!!!

Really?? Excuse me… ‘Soul’ is ‘BODY and Spirit’.

Soul is not ‘one part of a human being’ while body and spirit are two other parts. Soul just means ‘person’… who on earth(??) or in Heaven says:

• MAN is Person, body, and Spirit??

God is Spirit… Totally Unlimited

Man is SPIRIT - LIMITED TO PHYSICAL BOUNDS by a PHYSICAL BODY!!

Monotheism… what Monotheism!?

Is it possible to keep your responses brief?
If you look in the mirror, the image is your image. It is not you. It is not someone else's image. People might say if they see you in the mirror but somehow don't see your person, "Hey, that's Soapy!" But it's not you. It looks like you, but it's not you. The image does not have a mind of its own, it doesn't even imitate you because it doesn't have a mind to do so, so again -- context, context, context. Please keep it brief.

 

[YoursTrue]

He needs to bring up JW stuff because he cannot refute what you say. He therefore tries to force an ideology into your debate so that he can attack it such that others believe you said it….

Yeah! They do that to me, too

If God says there is no other god by him, that's what it means. It does not mean there are two, one, or three persons by him. Context, soapy.

 

[Soapy]

Is it possible to keep your responses brief?
If you look in the mirror, the image is your image. It is not you. It is not someone else's image. People might say if they see you in the mirror but somehow don't see your person, "Hey, that's Soapy!" But it's not you. It looks like you, but it's not you. The image does not have a mind of its own, it doesn't even imitate you because it doesn't have a mind to do so, so again -- context, context, context. Please keep it brief.

Brief is not in my brief….!!

What was the question, again?

Oh, Yes: Monotheism!!

The only useful need for the word is because Trinitarians believe that THEIR GOD is three persons (three Deities) subsumed as ONE RULING GOD PERSON.

However, since there are so many holes in a trinity belief, the term must exist to differentiate from Polytheism, which is belief in many deities as RULING GOD PERSONS.

The true belief is that there is only one deity and that one deity is the ruling person.

And since that is the tenet of the true scriptures there should not be a need to have a word to describe it in Jewish, or Christian belief of God.

Hatefully to myself for even having to say it, but Muslims, who are a side ranch of trunk of Abraham, have no such word because they do not have a problem believing that YHWH is the only deity who is God…. Sadly, Christians, whom are meant to be the leaders of the new faith in Christ, are tainted by Satan’s wrath and create and hold to a lie! A lie that underlies the singularity, the uniqueness, the very oneness of the God Most High by claiming such is three MOST HIGHS as ONE MOST HIGH.

By the way, the wretched claim by Trinitarians that:

• 1 x 1 x 1 = 1
• 1 Father x 1 Son x 1 Holy Spirit = 1 God

proves the trinity is false since multiplying three distinctly different entities does not lead to one single OTHER entity.

The trinity trick is that the unit for ‘Father’, ‘Son’ and ‘Holy Spirit’ is “PERSON” (with no further definition… who or what are these ‘Persons?? Trinity never states!!). Notice that the multiplied unit is ‘God’. It’s like saying, ‘5 x 1 finger = 1 hand’. Well, do all five fingers belong to the same hand? Doesn’t say in the definition. Are there five fingers to A HAND? Oh dear, No! The thumb is not defined as a FINGER! Moreover, multiplying one finger doesn’t create more fingers… Technically ‘trinitarian monotheistic formula is ‘1 + 1 + 1 = 1’ …

IOW’s, ‘Father’, ‘Son’, and ‘Holy Spirit’ cannot BE GOD if by their UNITY they ARE GOD (singular!). Not unless we are to reinvent the word, redefine, and re-designation, the title, ‘God’ as ‘God; singular… God; plural…’ like ‘Sheep, fish, Cattle’ to which there is no difference plural or singular (Three God = one God!)

 

[Dogknox20]

Talking NONSENSE…yet again!!

People can think and call Jesus anything they want BUT what REALLY MATTERS is what Jesus thinks and believe of himself!!

In Luke 18:19, Jesus rebuked the man for calling him ‘good’ because to Jesus, ONLY God is good and he’s NOT God to be called ‘good’!!
Your screw-up thinking logic CANNOT even understand simple verse like Luke 18:19, it’s no wonder that you would think and believe Jesus is God when there’s NOT a single verse in the whole Bible where God or His prophet, Jesus ever said or implied Jesus is God!! PROVE ME WRONG!!

You seem to care more about what people said rather than what God Almighty and His prophet Jesus said!! You are trying to preach the words of other people as scripture! YOU should heed the words of Jesus - “In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men” – Matthew 15:9


Dogknox20, the author/writer of John 1 is NOT God nor is he even a prophet, so heed the words of Jesus in Matthew 15:9 - “In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men”


NOPE! Luke 1, Matthew 1, Mark 1 passages DID NOT tell you Jesus is God or worship him as God!! Satan told you Jesus is God because Satan DO NOT want you to worship the One and Only True God!!

YOU should heed the words of Jesus - “In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men” – Matthew 15:9



Firstly, Mark 1 passage DID NOT read “……. prepare the way before me’, Mark 1 read “…… prepare the way before YOU”. You are confused between Mark 1 and Malachi 3!!

Secondly, ‘Prepare the way BEFORE me’ DOES NOT mean prepare the way FOR me!!
Dogknox20, DID YOU SEE IT? There’s a BIG difference between ‘BEFORE me’ and ‘FOR me’!!

The FACT is Jesus is NOT God, NEVER WAS, NEVER IS, and NEVER WILL BE, BUT it is Satan who wants you to believe Jesus is God!

Why you choose to follow Satan and NOT the eternal life as preached by Jesus is beyond my understanding. How can you ever find eternal life when you don’t even know who the true God is??!! Didn’t Jesus himself tell you in John 17:3, “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent” ??!

Your relentless chanting of ‘Jesus is God….Jesus is God…..’ in your effort to convince yourself and trying to preach the words of other people as scripture will ONLY fool yourself and further expose yourself as a follower of Satan, NOT a follower of Jesus Christ. Jesus NEVER worshiped and prayed to himself (as God) but, he ONLY worships and prays to the One and Only True God – so, why are you NOT emulating Jesus in his worship and in his prayers???

JerryMyers Christians believe "Jesus is God"!
Christians believe the scriptures!
You must reject the words of God as a LIE! Satan also does this he is the Father of lies!

The words of God>>> In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

The words of God>>> 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth

The words of God>>> 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

The words of God>>> 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

JerryMyers Jesus is God the scriptures are very clear...God cannot lie or mislead!

 

[Soapy]

If God says there is no other god by him, that's what it means. It does not mean there are two, one, or three persons by him. Context, soapy.

Errrr… I think I know that… I was agreeing with YOU!!

And thanks - I do know all about context… I’ve been writing about it for ages but since context destroys trinity fallacy they ignore the reality of it.

 

[YoursTrue]

Brief is not in my brief….!!

What was the question, again?

Oh, Yes: Monotheism!!

The only useful need for the word is because Trinitarians believe that THEIR GOD is three persons (three Deities) subsumed as ONE RULING GOD PERSON.

However, since there are so many holes in a trinity belief, the term must exist to differentiate from Polytheism, which is belief in many deities as RULING GOD PERSONS.

The true belief is that there is only one deity and that one deity is the ruling person.

And since that is the tenet of the true scriptures there should not be a need to have a word to describe it in Jewish, or Christian belief of God.

Hatefully to myself for even having to say it, but Muslims, who are a side ranch of trunk of Abraham, have no such word because they do not have a problem believing that YHWH is the only deity who is God…. Sadly, Christians, whom are meant to be the leaders of the new faith in Christ, are tainted by Satan’s wrath and create and hold to a lie! A lie that underlies the singularity, the uniqueness, the very oneness of the God Most High by claiming such is three MOST HIGHS as ONE MOST HIGH.

By the way, the wretched claim by Trinitarians that:

• 1 x 1 x 1 = 1
• 1 Father x 1 Son x 1 Holy Spirit = 1 God

proves the trinity is false since multiplying three distinctly different entities does not lead to one single OTHER entity.

The trinity trick is that the unit for ‘Father’, ‘Son’ and ‘Holy Spirit’ is “PERSON” (with no further definition… who or what are these ‘Persons?? Trinity never states!!). Notice that the multiplied unit is ‘God’. It’s like saying, ‘5 x 1 finger = 1 hand’. Well, do all five fingers belong to the same hand? Doesn’t say in the definition. Are there five fingers to A HAND? Oh dear, No! The thumb is not defined as a FINGER! Moreover, multiplying one finger doesn’t create more fingers… Technically ‘trinitarian monotheistic formula is ‘1 + 1 + 1 = 1’ …

IOW’s, ‘Father’, ‘Son’, and ‘Holy Spirit’ cannot BE GOD if by their UNITY they ARE GOD (singular!). Not unless we are to reinvent the word, redefine, and re-designation, the title, ‘God’ as ‘God; singular… God; plural…’ like ‘Sheep, fish, Cattle’ to which there is no difference plural or singular (Three God = one God!)

In the context of monotheism, ‘God’ means:

• The deity worshipped by the nation of Israel as opposed to any other deity worshipped by other nations
• This deity claimed to be the single creator of all things spirit and physical perceived by creation
• This is in contrast to other beliefs wherein there are many deities who oversaw and maintain the spirit and physical realms and perceived by such creation

What I doing understand from trinitarian beliefs is how they turn:

• ‘Hear, O Israel, YHWH your God, IS ONE GOD’

into:

• ‘Hear, O Israel, YHWH your God, is [THREE PERSONS]’

Of course they will disagree with the false representation of the expression but nonetheless it is what they believe.

That one verse is critical to the belief of Jews and Christians.

No Jew believes that the God of the nation of Israel IS THREE PERSONS … it is stressed continually throughout the Old Testament that ‘Yhwh is your ONLY GOD’… how much clearer can it be.

But here is the trinitarian twist: They AGREE that ‘God’ is ONE GOD…. But think about it… WHY SAY THAT ‘ONE IS ONE’… again, what is the CONTEXT???

Well, it is this: YHWH God told his favoured nation of israel THAT THEG SHOULD NOT BELIEVE IN MANY GODS as the pagans do but to believe in HIM AS THEIR “ONLY GOD”.

See that word ‘ONLY’… it is misinterpreted DELIBERATELY and argued over by Trinitarians to say, ‘ONE’.

English language and the linguistics of it goes out of the window where trinity is involved. The trinitarian MUST believe the lie otherwise he will be thrown out of his congregation … or be disrobed by higher church authorities (Satan being the ultimate leader of such organisations: the Father of the lie!)

Now, where in the Old Testament does it say that Yhwh is three persons…. Nowhere!!

Therefore, the trinitarian must devise a solution to this very obvious disclaimer …

‘Let US create man in OUR image’! the trinitarian says this CLEARLY SHOWS THAT GOD IS THREE PERSONS!!!

…. Ok, let’s have a look at this claim.

What is ‘Image of God’?

No immediate answer from the trinitarian!!!!!!!!

Eventually the answer comes (why the delay?) that it means the same NATURE as God… and this is backed up by scriptures saying that:

• ‘Jesus is the very IMAGE OF GOD’.

Oh, oh…. And THEREFORE IS GOD!!

But hold on …. (Sorry, I’m writing as I’m thinking!!) Isnt ‘GOD’ defined by trinity as ‘THREE PERSONS’?

So if Jesus is God, the very image of God, the very representation of HIM….! ( Ooops… them?? I’m confused? ) then isnt Jesus: ‘Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: The three persons OF GOD’?

This is called, ‘Recursion’. Something defined as itself!!!:

1. Trinity defines ‘God’ as ‘Father, Son, and Holy Spirit’
2. ‘Son’ is called as ‘God’
3. :. ‘Son’ is ‘Father, SON, and Holy Spirit’: ‘God’!!

Again, trinitarian will disclaim conclusion .) of the two premises because they will see the farce that it is…!

But hold on!!! ADAM was created ‘IMAGE OF GOD’!
Ermmm…. ‘Adam IS GOD’….!!?? Image of GOD means being God, says trinity. In fact, mankind is image of God… We are all, therefore, the ONE GOD… according to trinity!!!

Again, let us revisit the ‘Us’ and ‘We’ …

Image of God is the problem. The Holy angels were already created and WITH GOD and it was to them that God said, ‘Let US created man in our image…’

So we revisit image of God and what it means:

• Intelligence
• Wisdom
• Able to rule
• Righteous
• Sinless
• Holy
• Creative
• Loving
• Analytical
• Ability to design and develop innately
• Self-Willed
• Able to judge highly
• Powerful
• Majestic
• Mighty
• ….

No! Holy angels are not God! But they are IMAGE OF GOD but in lesser terms than YHWH GOD.
Hence, Scriptures says that ‘Ye are Gods…!’ But really, ‘Ye are images of THE ONLY God’!

People rail at the thought of the next part:
It was to the ANGEL (namely the HIGHEST OF THE ANGELS … who later rebelled and was called ‘Satan’ and ‘a Satan’ and ‘Devil) to whom Yhwh said, ‘Let us create man in our image … after our kind’
‘Satan, created the lifeless body of the first man of humanity… but it was YHWH who enlivens that body:

• ‘And God blew the breath of life into the man and he became a LIVING SOUL’

What’s the problem?? Angels cannot create lifeless bodies? So how then did the Nephilim come about. These were awful giant children of the uniting of demon-spirited BODIES with human female bodies…

The demon angels could only create lifeless bodies - could not enliven those bodies so they put THEMSELVES in them to enliven them. The raping of human women created offspring that were MIGHTIER than human offsprings because angels are MIGHTIER than humans… but their high intelligence was not transferred to the Nephilim offspring.

And see here: Are we human beings even today not creating ‘BODIES’ ourselves… do we not put OUR SPIRIT in them … namely by our intelligence in mechanics, bioengineering, chemistry, biology, physics, electro communication, computer software programmes, artificial intelligence and augmented reality???

And yet: ‘Man was created a little less than the angels - for a time!???

So no… it wasn’t ‘God talking to God’ saying ‘Let us… and we…’. But trinity can find no other way to derive itself from the Old Testament.

Going back to your question. Monotheism is therefore only a definition required by Trinitarians as there is no other belief that claims more than one ‘unity God’. Without the ridiculous claim that there are three ‘persons’ in the one God of Israel, Jews, and Christians, there would be no need to make a claim that ‘GOD IS ONE GOD’!!

It can easily be seen how not one single trinitarian can define trinity in a complete or even near complete manner: If always comes down to : ‘Trinity is UNFATHOMABLE BECAUSE YOUR MIND IS TOO TINY TO UNDERSTAND GOD!’

Of course, trinity also ironically claims that their belief is ‘A Mystery’ and ‘INCOMPREHENSIBLE’…

Basically, trinity defines itself as ‘Baloney’!!

Satan is having a great laugh at his children believing the lie - the lie of which he is the Father!!

So… no need for ‘monotheism’ in true Christian belief:

• ‘For us, there is only ONE GOD: YHWH: THE FATHER, and ONE Lord, Jesus Christ’

and:

• ‘Eternal life depends on believing in [you, Father: YHWH] THE ONLY TRUE GOD. And in Jesus Christ WHOM YOU (YHWH) sent’

‘One God’… monotheism does not protect from belief in MANY GODS RULING IN HEIRACHY like other religious belief system.

The argument and point of the Israelite deity is that he told his favoured nation that ‘He, and He alone, created all things’

Other belief systems claimed many creators and maintainers such as the Greek and Philistines, Egyptians, Romans, etc.

Trinitarian beliefs muddle these up claiming there are MORE THAN ONE IN THE MONO-GOD

• But that ALL THREE CREATED
• But that ONLY THE SON CREATED
• But the Father ALONE creates THROUGH the Son
• But that the two created by means of the third, the Holy Spirit…!

Why these listed points that run counter to each other?

Over time, since trinity was devised, massive flaws are found in trinity concerning the mono-ethity of the belief - therefore each generation modifies the claims of trinity to try to induce a conformity - never reaching any concluding point though.

Sadly, as each error is discovered, rather than admit the belief is wrong, trinity merely covers it up with an new sticking plaster. The latest being that:

• ‘God is ESSENCE of which the three persons share’

In other words, this monotheistic GOD is ESSENCE (but no one knows what is meant by ‘Essence’… go ahead, ask them…. No idea!!)

Think this though: Three fish in a fishbowl of which the water in the bowl is the ESSENCE. All three fish SHARE the water… whatever ‘power, authority, wisdom, intelligence, rulership, majesty, love, …’ the ‘water’ is composed of, all three fish share in it: each has the same …..

But check this: if having the essence of God (being in the fishbowl water) makes you ALL POWERFUL… why is there a need for THREE EQUAL ALL POWERFULS???

And yet trinity says the three ALL EQUAL POWERFUL DEITIES are RANKED with the Father as the GREATEST EQUAL ALL POWERFUL…

Ok, man is image of THREE ALL POWERFUL DEITIES. Ask if man is there all powerful persons….!!!

‘body soul and spirit’ retorts the trinitarian!!!

Really?? Excuse me… ‘Soul’ is ‘BODY and Spirit’.

Soul is not ‘one part of a human being’ while body and spirit are two other parts. Soul just means ‘person’… who on earth(??) or in Heaven says:

• MAN is Person, body, and Spirit??

God is Spirit… Totally Unlimited

Man is SPIRIT - LIMITED TO PHYSICAL BOUNDS by a PHYSICAL BODY!!

Monotheism… what Monotheism!?

It's a little hard to follow someone that rambles. Not saying you do, but...
you don't believe in 'the' trinity then? If not, please explain why not, thank you. (Briefly, very briefly.)

 

[YoursTrue]

Errrr… I think I know that… I was agreeing with YOU!!

And thanks - I do know all about context… I’ve been writing about it for ages but since context destroys trinity fallacy they ignore the reality of it.

you're not agreeing with the fact that Jesus never said he was god, did he? Try to understand the question, please don't go into a longwinded tirade. Did Jesus ever say, "By the way, I am God?"

 

[YoursTrue]

Errrr… I think I know that… I was agreeing with YOU!!

And thanks - I do know all about context… I’ve been writing about it for ages but since context destroys trinity fallacy they ignore the reality of it.

The reality of?? the trinity? hmmm is that what you mean when you say "context destroys trinity fallacy" Please try not to be long-winded, be brief if possible.

 

[YoursTrue]

JerryMyers Christians believe "Jesus is God"!
Christians believe the scriptures!
You must reject the words of God as a LIE! Satan also does this he is the Father of lies!

The words of God>>> In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

...

Taking your translation there, how many persons were there "in the beginning"? Two? One? Three?

 

[YoursTrue]

...

The words of God>>> 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth

Is God a person, you think?

 

[Soapy]

It's a little hard to follow someone that rambles. Not saying you do, but...
you don't believe in 'the' trinity then? If not, please explain why not, thank you. (Briefly, very briefly.)

You are a tempter… bye bye!!

 

[Soapy]

The reality of?? the trinity? hmmm is that what you mean when you say "context destroys trinity fallacy" Please try not to be long-winded, be brief if possible.

You remind me of the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus wherein Jesus explained spiritual truths to a person of supposed credible leadership (not that I’m calling you a credible leader) but Nicodemus failed to understand the truth that Jesus presented to him.

So also you fail to understand the truth I posted to you.

Thank you for your interest in the truth but your failure to even try to understand has shown you are not really interested but merely a time waster.

There’s no more I can do for you. Bye bye!

 

[JerryMyers]

JerryMyers Christians believe "Jesus is God"!
Christians believe the scriptures!
You must reject the words of God as a LIE! Satan also does this he is the Father of lies!
The words of God>>> In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
The words of God>>> 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth
The words of God>>> 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
The words of God>>> 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

You are so predictable in your responses because you don’t really respond nor do you rebut anything that clearly debunks your FALSE belief of ‘Jesus is God’, but instead you keep repeating the same NONSENSE of ‘Jesus is God’ over and over and over….!!! That’s like repeating to yourself ‘the earth is flat…. the earth is flat….’ over and over and over… and hoping people will believe the earth is flat!!! Well, I can tell you right now that’s NOT going to happen so stop wasting your time with your rambling of ‘Jesus is God’ NONSENSE!!

The narratives of John 1 are NOT the words of God - those are the words of the author/writer/translator of the Book of John..... and yes, John 1 also recorded the words of John the Baptist and Jesus where events relating to them are narrated BUT there’s nothing in the words of John the Baptist and Jesus himself that said or implied Jesus is God! In fact, in John 1:38, the 2 disciples who followed Jesus called him ‘Rabbi’ NOT God!! So, it would be a shot in the dark to say only Thomas acknowledged Jesus as God because he exclaimed ‘My Lord and my God!’ while the other disciples who have met and seen Jesus in person much earlier than Thomas, DID NOT acknowledge Jesus as God!! So, get real!!

JerryMyers Jesus is God the scriptures are very clear...God cannot lie or mislead!

Yes, God cannot lie or mislead so, tell me, when God said:

- “I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God” – Isaiah 45:5

- “Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no God apart from Me, a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none but Me. TURN TO ME AND BE SAVED, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other” – Isaiah 45:21-22

- “But I have been the Lord your God ever since you came out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but Me, no Savior except Me” – Hosea 13:4

.. was God lying or was God misleading???! Yes?? No??

If God was NOT lying nor was God misleading, then obviously, it’s YOU who are lying and misleading others by trying to preach the preaching of Trinitarian’s conjectures as scripture!

Jesus was right when he said - “In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men” (Matthew 15:9) - Jesus is telling YOU right there BUT you refuse to listen to him!! Poor old chap!!!

 

[Dogknox20]

Taking your translation there, how many persons were there "in the beginning"? Two? One? Three?

YoursTrue Good question...
Follow me through this...
1) God is perfect!
2) God is Love!
3) No one can love themselves... To love is to: "Give of yourself For/To another person!"
4) The Perfect God; the Perfect LOVE NEEDS another to Love or his love is NOT perfect.. Again to love you need two (at the very least).. Love of self is called Selfishness! It takes at least TWO (2) to love!

YoursTrue 5)... (God is outside of time; BUT for us to wrap our stinking heads around this next bit was must use **time) THINK The very **split second there was a PERFECT LOVE there had to be at least TWO (2) or there would NOT be "Perfect love"! There would NOT be God if there was NOT any perfect love! There would NOT be LOVE if there was not at the very least TWO!
6) The WORD was present at the very first; the very first "**Split Second" there was God! God could NOT be perfect if there was NOT two (2)! We move on.....

YoursTrue 7) Love creates.... Example the love of a husband and wife create New Life! So for God to be perfect there must be creation coming from their PERFECT LOVE! The Holy Spirit "PROCEDES" from the Father & the Son! IF...

YoursTrue if the Holy Spirit did not come from the PERFECT LOVE if the Love was sterile then it would NOT be PERFECT!
8) The very (**split second) there was GOD there had to be at least three.. Father & Son in a perfect union of Perfect Love and then the Holy Spirit preceding from the union of their Perfect Love!

God is PERFECT he would NOT be perfect without someone to LOVE!
YoursTrue Taking your translation there, how many persons were there "in the beginning"? The answer can ONLY be Three (3)!

 

[Dogknox20]

You are so predictable in your responses because you don’t really respond nor do you rebut anything that clearly debunks your FALSE belief of ‘Jesus is God’, but instead you keep repeating the same NONSENSE of ‘Jesus is God’ over and over and over….!!! That’s like repeating to yourself ‘the earth is flat…. the earth is flat….’ over and over and over… and hoping people will believe the earth is flat!!! Well, I can tell you right now that’s NOT going to happen so stop wasting your time with your rambling of ‘Jesus is God’ NONSENSE!!

The narratives of John 1 are NOT the words of God - those are the words of the author/writer/translator of the Book of John..... and yes, John 1 also recorded the words of John the Baptist and Jesus where events relating to them are narrated BUT there’s nothing in the words of John the Baptist and Jesus himself that said or implied Jesus is God! In fact, in John 1:38, the 2 disciples who followed Jesus called him ‘Rabbi’ NOT God!! So, it would be a shot in the dark to say only Thomas acknowledged Jesus as God because he exclaimed ‘My Lord and my God!’ while the other disciples who have met and seen Jesus in person much earlier than Thomas, DID NOT acknowledge Jesus as God!! So, get real!!


Yes, God cannot lie or mislead so, tell me, when God said:

- “I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God” – Isaiah 45:5

- “Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no God apart from Me, a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none but Me. TURN TO ME AND BE SAVED, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other” – Isaiah 45:21-22

- “But I have been the Lord your God ever since you came out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but Me, no Savior except Me” – Hosea 13:4

.. was God lying or was God misleading???! Yes?? No??

If God was NOT lying nor was God misleading, then obviously, it’s YOU who are lying and misleading others by trying to preach the preaching of Trinitarian’s conjectures as scripture!

Jesus was right when he said - “In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men” (Matthew 15:9) - Jesus is telling YOU right there BUT you refuse to listen to him!! Poor old chap!!!

JerryMyers Christians believe Jesus is God!
I am Christian! You are NOT Christian non Christians reject the scriptures they reject the authority of Jesus and his Holy Church!
I don't care if you reject Jesus, I don't care to convert you to Christian belief!
CRY, Wine, Complain all you want you cannot change Christian belief, History or the Scriptures!!
The scriptures are a Christian book!
The scriptures tell you "The CHURCH" has the AUTHORITY of God to teach all nations.. The Christian CHURCH with all the AUTHORITY of heaven teaches "Jesus is God"!

You CANNOT prove Jesus is NOT God! All you have is a WISH! You WISH you were right.. Satan also wishes Jesus was not God Satan wants to be worshiped as Jesus is, he knows he MUST lie to to keep you in your error!

 

[YoursTrue]

YoursTrue Good question...
Follow me through this...
1) God is perfect!
2) God is Love!
3) No one can love themselves... To love is to: "Give of yourself For/To another person!"
4) The Perfect God; the Perfect LOVE NEEDS another to Love or his love is NOT perfect.. Again to love you need two (at the very least).. Love of self is called Selfishness! It takes at least TWO (2) to love!

YoursTrue 5)... (God is outside of time; BUT for us to wrap our stinking heads around this next bit was must use **time) THINK The very **split second there was a PERFECT LOVE there had to be at least TWO (2) or there would NOT be "Perfect love"! There would NOT be God if there was NOT any perfect love! There would NOT be LOVE if there was not at the very least TWO!
6) The WORD was present at the very first; the very first "**Split Second" there was God! God could NOT be perfect if there was NOT two (2)! We move on.....

YoursTrue 7) Love creates.... Example the love of a husband and wife create New Life! So for God to be perfect there must be creation coming from their PERFECT LOVE! The Holy Spirit "PROCEDES" from the Father & the Son! IF...

YoursTrue if the Holy Spirit did not come from the PERFECT LOVE if the Love was sterile then it would NOT be PERFECT!
8) The very (**split second) there was GOD there had to be at least three.. Father & Son in a perfect union of Perfect Love and then the Holy Spirit preceding from the union of their Perfect Love!

God is PERFECT he would NOT be perfect without someone to LOVE!
YoursTrue Taking your translation there, how many persons were there "in the beginning"? The answer can ONLY be Three (3)!

Hmm DK, right at the beginning I see a situation. Jesus said you must love your neighbor as yourself. Didn't he?

 

[YoursTrue]

JerryMyers Christians believe Jesus is God!
I am Christian! You are NOT Christian non Christians reject the scriptures they reject the authority of Jesus and his Holy Church!
I don't care if you reject Jesus, I don't care to convert you to Christian belief!
CRY, Wine, Complain all you want you cannot change Christian belief, History or the Scriptures!!
The scriptures are a Christian book!
The scriptures tell you "The CHURCH" has the AUTHORITY of God to teach all nations.. The Christian CHURCH with all the AUTHORITY of heaven teaches "Jesus is God"!

You CANNOT prove Jesus is NOT God! All you have is a WISH! You WISH you were right.. Satan also wishes Jesus was not God Satan wants to be worshiped as Jesus is, he knows he MUST lie to to keep you in your error!

You are confusing the situations.