We need to have an honest discussion about race in America

[Audie]

Dropping those items is included with dropping the colonialists' social construct.

If we're going to discriminate based on anything, let it be religion. Speaking of which, if any of you are Sevener Shi'ites, you have lost the privilege of communicating with me.

You think that's what racism is?
"Colonialists social construct"?

 

[Audie]

The bigger issue is the System, not the people. Open and outright racists are fringe, sure. But the whole governmental, societal and cultural institution has a basis in racism.

The original founders and tenants of American Anthropology, led directly to this, through what we call the creation of Social Darwinism. And permeates our entire System of being. This reliance on Social Darwinism was used to advocate slavery/African inequality and to disposess native Americans of their land. This led directly to Hitler adopting these ideas to promolgate eugenics and genocide amongst "races" he deemed "inferior", and he had "scientific" backing for it.

Social Darwinism is what gives us the ideas that the Poor don't deserve assistance, and that mentally or physically handicapped person's must be miserable and culled.

Edit: "Proponents of Social Darwinism believe(d) that it is/was morally wrong for the government and charity organizations to provide public education, public health, or a minimum wage because these efforts only contribute to the artificial preservation of the weak." - Baker, Lee (Ascension of Anthropology as Social Darwinism)

That is history.
What " System" is today?

 

[Audie]

Health care access disparities, and wealth inequalities are some examples.

Social safety nets and the treatment of the poor is another.

Edit: 12 charts: Racial disparities persist across wealth, health and beyond

How is that racism?

 

[We Never Know]

The bigger issue is the System, not the people. Open and outright racists are fringe, sure. But the whole governmental, societal and cultural institution has a basis in racism.

The original founders and tenants of American Anthropology, led directly to this, through what we call the creation of Social Darwinism. And permeates our entire System of being. This reliance on Social Darwinism was used to advocate slavery/African inequality and to disposess native Americans of their land. This led directly to Hitler adopting these ideas to promolgate eugenics and genocide amongst "races" he deemed "inferior", and he had "scientific" backing for it.

Social Darwinism is what gives us the ideas that the Poor don't deserve assistance, and that mentally or physically handicapped person's must be miserable and culled.

Edit: "Proponents of Social Darwinism believe(d) that it is/was morally wrong for the government and charity organizations to provide public education, public health, or a minimum wage because these efforts only contribute to the artificial preservation of the weak." - Baker, Lee (Ascension of Anthropology as Social Darwinism)

I agree that the term "survival of the fittest" has been greatly misused and misunderstood.

 

[The Hammer]

That is history.
What " System" is today?

So history doesn't impact the present any.

 

[Audie]

So history doesn't impact the present any.

A rhetorical question is a
non answer

 

[Twilight Hue]

You know that quote is directed at white people? I'd say minorities are still struggling with this problem.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Are you implying that black racism dosent exist?

I think the quote applies to all people.

 

[We Never Know]

Are you implying that black racism dosent exist?

I think the quote applies to all people.

"Are you implying that black racism dosent exist?"

What?? That's racist to even imply it does

 

[Kfox]

I can't help you see what you are unwilling to.

C’mon don’t cop out like that; the least you can do is articulate what you perceive me as unwilling to see! Do you disagree with how I defined systemic racism? What did I say that you disagree with?

 

[Kfox]

The only race I am familiar with is the human race.

So are we talking about the difference between the human race and the ape race?

With beasts we call them “breeds”. You know how there are differences in appearance between a Golden Retriever vs a Doberman Pincher? Well there are differences between humans as well; we often call it race. There are differences in many physical features like hair, skin tone, nose shape etc. between what we call black vs white race. Does this make sense to you? Have you noticed this?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I just see an global agenda around the wo making gray race all over the world by planned migrations and race mixing,
An un natural cycle that 'some people' started in order to their 'new order' to the world with destroying cultures ,races and everything into 'one world' thing...
That not only affected america but any country with pure race sources...
Thats all i know...

What's unnatural about "race mixing"? (Even in parentheses that feels awkward to write!)

 

[George-ananda]

Your thoughts?

I agree with your opening post.

I've been hearing how we need an honest discussion about race all my life. That's all such a vague statement. What exactly do you want to discuss?

There are people I flat out disagree with and an honest discussion will not go well.

 

[We Never Know]

With beasts we call them “breeds”. You know how there are differences in appearance between a Golden Retriever vs a Doberman Pincher? Well there are differences between humans as well; we often call it race. There are differences in many physical features like hair, skin tone, nose shape etc. between what we call black vs white race. Does this make sense to you? Have you noticed this?

You are correct. With animals its different breeds, with humans its different races.
Neanderthal and denisovans, even though they could interbreed with modern humans, are considered a different species instead of race or breed. Today with humans its all political.

 

[Kfox]

I agree with your opening post.

I've been hearing how we need an honest discussion about race all my life. That's all such a vague statement. What exactly do you want to discuss?

There are people I flat out disagree with and an honest discussion will not go well.

Are you the one responsible for not allowing it to go well?

 

[George-ananda]

Are you the one responsible for not allowing it to go well?

No, it's always the other guy's fault. I get called the racist word for not agreeing with the politically correct stance.

 

[We Never Know]

No, it's always the other guy's fault. I get called the racist word for not agreeing with the politically correct stance.

Anyone.....

Riddle me this......a child has a Native American parent and an Afro-American parent.

What race are they??

...besides the human race?

 

[mangalavara]

You think that's what racism is?
"Colonialists social construct"?

Not racism but race.

 

[Audie]

Not racism but race.

Race then.
You think that is who invented it?

 

[mangalavara]

Race then.
You think that is who invented it?

From what I've read, and heard, European colonialists are the ones who came up with the concept.

 

[George-ananda]

Anyone.....

Riddle me this......a child has a Native American parent and an Afro-American parent.

What race are they??

...besides the human race?

He/she is mixed race in my book; half-black and half-Native American.