We need to have an honest discussion about race in America

[The Hammer]

You must hav missed this post....

We breed for example....

A Poodle and Labrador and get a Labradoodle.

A Siberian husky and the Pomeranian and get a Pomsky.

Same species yet it becomes a different breed.

Why are humans a race instead of breed?
Is it political?

People don't have breeds.

 

[We Never Know]

People don't have breeds.

Why do dogs? They are the same species.

 

[The Hammer]

Why do dogs?

Read the book I linked above. This argument tires me.

Edit: I'd upload some sections myself, but the forum does not accept the file format (pdf).

 

[We Never Know]

Read the book I linked above. This argument tires me.

Its not an arguement. All dogs are the same species. All humans are the same species.
Dogs have breeds, humans have races.

 

[The Hammer]

Its not an arguement. All dogs are the same species. All humans are the same species.
Dogs have breeds, humans have races.

Humans don't have races and technically dogs don't have breeds. They are all canis domesticus as we are homo sapien.

It's a fake category we designed for purposes of making boxes.

 

[We Never Know]

Humans don't have races and technically dogs don't have breeds. They are all canis domesticus as we are homo sapien.

It's a fake category we designed for purposes of making boxes.

If it was only that simple. But instead its political.

 

[The Hammer]

If it was only that simple. But instead its political.

Which still makes it a social construct (like politics), which has been my main argument.

And all social constructs are... drum roll... Created by society (not inherent/natural).

 

[We Never Know]

Which still makes it a social construct (like politics), which has been my main argument.

And all social constructs are... drum roll... Created by society (not inherent/natural).

That still doesn't explain why we say a Siberian husky and a Pomeranian bred together make a "Pomsky" (a different breed) but yet two different races don't make anything different.

 

[Kfox]

Because humans are broken into different races.
Such as native american, afro-american, white, asian, etc.
What race is someone with mixed race parents. Mixed race isn't a race.

You keep acting as if everybody has to have a single race. It's like asking what color is a black, brown, and yellow car? Multiracial is the term we use for such people.

 

[The Hammer]

That still doesn't explain why we say a Siberian husky and a Pomeranian bred together make a "Pomsky" (a different breed) but yet two different races don't make anything different.

Because we make it up as we go along (the naming). The breeds have no biological basis.
We treat dogs even moreso as objects then we do people we consider lesser then us.

 

[We Never Know]

You keep acting as if everybody has to have a single race. It's like asking what color is a black, brown, and yellow car? Multiracial is the term we use for such people.

I only see one race. The human race.

 

[Kfox]

Yeah. You really need to read "The Mismeasure of Man".

Here. It's even cheap.

The Mismeasure of Man https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393314251/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_glt_i_KGKZAK8AJFNJZQ72423Q

I have no interest in reading your cheap book. Perhaps you could do a better job of articulating an opposing view.

 

[We Never Know]

Because we make it up as we go along (the naming). The breeds have no biological basis.
We treat dogs even moreso as objects then we do people we consider lesser then us.

Its all political. Since we break humans down by race, like it or not, one race evolved first.

 

[Kfox]

Do you mean for example....

A Poodle and Labrador and get a Labradoodle.

A Siberian husky and the Pomeranian and get a Pomsky.

Same species yet it becomes a different breed.

Labradootle? Pomsky? Those are recently made-up terms for what we used to call "mutts". We don't do that with humans; with humans we call them all "Biracial".

 

[The Hammer]

I have no interest in reading your cheap book. Perhaps you could do a better job of articulating an opposing view.

It's not "my" book. But hey, you don't like to learn or want to see an opposing view that's fine.

I don't profess to be a teacher. And I certainly dont need to educate you, just because you say so.

 

[We Never Know]

Labradootle? Pomsky? Those are recently made-up terms for what we used to call "mutts". We don't do that with humans; with humans we call them all "Biracial".

Yes!!! Its political. We used to call a person with a white parent and a native american parent a halfbreed.

 

[Kfox]

That still doesn't explain why we say a Siberian husky and a Pomeranian bred together make a "Pomsky" (a different breed) but yet two different races don't make anything different.

Because humans only want to do that with animals; not ourselves.

 

[We Never Know]

Because humans only want to do that with animals; not ourselves.

Its "political"

 

[The Hammer]

Its all political. Since we break humans down by race, like it or not, one race evolved first.

I'm certainly not arguing against monogenesis.

 

[Kfox]

I only see one race. The human race.

So you cannot see the difference between a black person vs a white person?