West Antartica Ice Melt Now "Unstoppable": NASA

[Thief]

How about the price of coffee is going to increase?
I heard on the radio recently the higher temp is affecting the growing season.
Less growing, less coffee, higher prices.

How's that for numbers?..(even though the report didn't have any)

 

[Alceste]

I been thinking about Sunstone's post and I realized something. Al Jazeera never sites or links to the study it refers to (I tried to find it in the article). But I think I read this misleading report that A J is using as proof just last week. The report never states that the glaciers are melting, just that this would happen if the glaciers ever melted (duh-uh). The report also stated the this "catastrophic" melting would take hundreds of years to produce any noticeable effect. This is just another example of of GW disciples using alarmist speculation instead of hard evidence to support their tenuous arguments (and Heavens know that Al Jeezera would never lead us down the garden path).

I notice you don't provide a citation yourself.

Supposing just for the sake of argument that there is such a thing as catastrophic global warming (or unicorns, for that matter), please show where someone has given the actual temperature difference in plain numbers so even a construction worker can understand it.

You're misunderstanding. People who live close to the poles are able to directly observe the effects of warming because that is where the effects are most obvious and the temperature increase most pronounced. The change is already underway, happening quickly, and observable by laymen because the ice sheet fluctuates like a giant thermometer.

 

[MD]

I think most people find it pretty apparent that the world climate is changing drastically. I grew up in Canada and the weather got more and more erratic. This is a mess that should have been addressed a long time ago but there was too much money to lose for many people, so it never happened.

What we are seeing with the world after September 11: Iraq/Afghanistan, the incursion in Ukraine, Syria, the expansionist attitude of China are all related to our resources. As these resources get more scarce, wars and military confrontations become more common and our world continues to destabilize but business as usual continues.

The proverbial crap will truly hit the fan when we start having global droughts and famines as crop yields diminish and then we will try to reverse things but it will be too little too late, and military options will become more and more common. We are entering a dark age and our descendants will hate the previous generations for wasting time and resources and leaving them a sick world.

 

[Thief]

I notice you don't provide a citation yourself.


You're misunderstanding. People who live close to the poles are able to directly observe the effects of warming because that is where the effects are most obvious and the temperature increase most pronounced. The change is already underway, happening quickly, and observable by laymen because the ice sheet fluctuates like a giant thermometer.

Even up close and personal....
I recall as a boy, December as snow covered.
We would sing about a 'white Christmas'...long live Bing!

But nowadays....the ground is rarely covered at all.

 

[BSM1]

You're misunderstanding. People who live close to the poles are able to directly observe the effects of warming because that is where the effects are most obvious and the temperature increase most pronounced. The change is already underway, happening quickly, and observable by laymen because the ice sheet fluctuates like a giant thermometer.

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Soo....still no "warming up" numbers?

 

[columbus]

Soo....still no "warming up" numbers?

The numbers are easily available. You have to learn enough math to understand them.

Unfortunately no religion teaches math.

Tom

 

[Alceste]

Soo....still no "warming up" numbers?

You're on the internet. Look it up.

 

[Thief]

Soo....still no "warming up" numbers?

Did here on the radio this past season.
This last winter was the warmest on record...by one full degree.
That beat the previous record set the year before.

Two records back to back....with the last jump by one full degree.

Doesn't sound like much.
But there's a huge piece of the southern pole gone.
The break was so large the shipping lanes were notified to watch for ice.

 

[dust1n]

Global temperature change

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

 

[BSM1]

You're on the internet. Look it up.

Tried many times; no luck. Educate me.

 

[Bunyip]

Tried many times; no luck. Educate me.

Educate yourself. This is an internet forum, not a climatology or mathematics course. The numbers for climate change are all available, if you want to understand them - go and study climatology.

If you don't want to study climatology or mathematics/statistical modelling - then you need to listen to what the people who have studied those things say.

Same goes for neuro surgery, if you don't fully understand what neuro surgeons tell us about the brain, that does not mean that neuro surgery is a scam - it just means that you don't know much about neuo surgery.

 

[BSM1]

Educate yourself. This is an internet forum, not a climatology or mathematics course. The numbers for climate change are all available, if you want to understand them - go and study climatology.

If you don't want to study climatology or mathematics/statistical modelling - then you need to listen to what the people who have studied those things say.

Same goes for neuro surgery, if you don't fully understand what neuro surgeons tell us about the brain, that does not mean that neuro surgery is a scam - it just means that you don't know much about neuo surgery.

Just asking a simple question. If there is global warming what's the temperature of the globe now as compared to, say, 100 years ago? 50 years ago? 10 years? Anybody?

 

[Bunyip]

Just asking a simple question. If there is global warming what's the temperature of the globe now as compared to, say, 100 years ago? 50 years ago? 10 years? Anybody?

The temperature where? On what day? At what time of what day?

The earth is warming, the data has been showing that for years. Why not just go to an online resource and look it up?

Over the last century the increase is roughly 1 degree C.

 

[Alceste]

Tried many times; no luck. Educate me.

I find that completely impossible to believe. If you haven't found hundreds of climate studies with detailed methods and measurements, you cannot possibly have looked for them. Not even once, let alone repeatedly.

 

[Penumbra]

New data show glacial retreat could add four feet to earlier predictions of a three-foot sea level rise by 2100.

Looks like rough times ahead for coastal cities and communities. Please discuss.

Well it was a good run.

 

[dust1n]

Just asking a simple question. If there is global warming what's the temperature of the globe now as compared to, say, 100 years ago? 50 years ago? 10 years? Anybody?

Global temperature change

Instrumental temperature record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In case you in missed it.

 

[BSM1]

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Did you even read the entire article? Also, by looking at the above chart your saying the average mean temperature has risen less then 1 degree centigrade since 1880 (and this has to take in areas where the temperature has not risen or has even cooled)? Oooh...now I'm scared.

 

[dust1n]

Did you even read the entire article?

The Wiki? No. The study is just part of a series of stuff I keep on hand for recurring topics, and it just happen to match your question.

Also, by looking at the above chart your saying the average mean temperature has risen less then 1 degree centigrade since 1880 (and this has to take in areas where the temperature has not risen or has even cooled)? Oooh...now I'm scared.

You asked for numbers. It really doesn't matter how scared you are if only a tiny degree in water temperate change for ocean currents to alter. Not to mention, I'd say the change of heat is one of the least worrisome problems concerning climate change when it comes to carbon. Ocean acidification will have a much more dire effect when much of the world's food supply and oxygen supply start to die.

 

[Bunyip]

Did you even read the entire article? Also, by looking at the above chart your saying the average mean temperature has risen less then 1 degree centigrade since 1880 (and this has to take in areas where the temperature has not risen or has even cooled)? Oooh...now I'm scared.

One degree centigrade is a lot. You are simply ignorant of the significance of that sort of change.

One or two degree of temp. change could change the earths weather patterns enough to displace hundreds of millions of people.

5 degrees of change could alter the sea level by over 350 feet. The last ice age was only 5 degrees colder on average.

 

[BSM1]

Did you even read the entire article? Also, by looking at the above chart your saying the average mean temperature has risen less then 1 degree centigrade since 1880 (and this has to take in areas where the temperature has not risen or has even cooled)? Oooh...now I'm scared.

One degree centigrade is a lot. You are simply ignorant of the significance of that sort of change.

One or two degree of temp. change could change the earths weather patterns enough to displace hundreds of millions of people.

5 degrees of change could alter the sea level by over 350 feet. The last ice age was only 5 degrees colder on average.

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But the thing is we haven't risen 5 degrees centigrade, we can only show a 1 degree rise in over a hundred years, and even that can be questioned. You can say that this is going to happen or that is going to happen all day but that doesn't mean it will. Facts will always trump speculation. You've been played.

Peace out.