What about the unvaccinated?

[Spirit of Light]

Sorry to hear about your relatives. The odds of dying from vaccines, especially the two you mentioned, are extremely low, but I can't comment on the specific situation you mentioned because I don't feel that would be appropriate without having professional knowledge of their medical history. I hope any of your other relatives who have gotten vaccinated are okay.

From the other people in my family I spoke with, about half have taken the vaccine, the rest did not take it. Luckily no more deaths have happened. And I know it is not to late to change my mind about it

 

[Revoltingest]

There are only two options in Norway and they are Moderna and Phifer vaccines and unfortunately, I found that my relatives who died had taken both (not as a mix).

But I am as careful as I can be, I honestly do not want to harm others because of my choice

FWIW, I had the Moderna.
After the 2nd shot, I had 4 hours of chilly discomfort.
It wouldn't have been all that noticeable except that
it happened at nite....& kept me awake.
I need my beauty sleep!

 

[Spirit of Light]

I did a little research and found that covid vaccines contain Mercury, being one who has worked with dangerous goods in freight terminals I know how dangerous this can be to get in our body. Yes the amount in the vaccine is very little, but still, it is too much (in my view)
0,1 microgram mercury in a day is seen as to much actually. thiomersal is the mercury compound used in the Covid vaccine.

Am I nitpicking a little here? probably yes.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is a mortality rate for everything. When faced with
choices to do something or not do it, we should examine
the mortality rate to evaluate the relative risk.
Even attending a wedding has a mortality rate, albeit a
low one. But people (usually men in the news for some
unknown reason) die during & right after weddings.

I did a little research and found that covid vaccines contain Mercury, being one who has worked with dangerous goods in freight terminals I know how dangerous this can be to get in our body. Yes the amount in the vaccine is very little, but still, it is too much (in my view)
0,1 microgram mercury in a day is seen as to much actually. thiomersal is the mercury compound used in the Covid vaccine.
Thimerosal and Vaccines | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Am I nitpicking a little here? probably yes.

Mercury has an undeservedly bad reputation. Danger
applies only to certain forms. Others are very safe, eg,
preservatives, the fillings in your teeth. It also depends
upon concentration.
Ref...
Should You Worry About Mercury in Your Silver Dental Fillings? – Cleveland Clinic

Many common & necessary elements that no one fears
are dangerous in some form, eg, oxygen (dangerous as
O3), zinc (dangerous fumes, but needed in our diet).
And so on...

Have you found any epidemiological studies showing
that thimerosal (mercury compound) has any deleterious
effects? Some info...
Thimerosal and Vaccines | Vaccine Safety | CDC
Vaccines would actually be made more dangerous
without thimerosal because of bacterial growth.

 

[Spirit of Light]

There is a mortality rate for everything. When faced with
choices to do something or not do it, we should examine
the mortality rate to evaluate the relative risk.
Even attending a wedding has a mortality rate, albeit a
low one. But people (usually men in the news for some
unknown reason) die during & right after weddings.

Mercury has an undeservedly bad reputation. Danger
applies only to certain forms. Others are very safe, eg,
preservatives, the fillings in your teeth. It also depends
upon concentration.
Ref...
Should You Worry About Mercury in Your Silver Dental Fillings? – Cleveland Clinic

Many common & necessary elements that no one fears
are dangerous in some form, eg, oxygen (dangerous as
O3), zinc (dangerous fumes, but needed in our diet).
And so on...

Have you found any epidemiological studies showing
that thimerosal (mercury compound) has any deleterious
effects? Some info...
Thimerosal and Vaccines | Vaccine Safety | CDC

I am trying to look into it, but I am no expert on looking for medical papers that explain it a way I can understand. so my replay may take some time.

What I do take away from this discussion is that I am forced to look for answers, and hopefully find that my worries has been for nothing

 

[Revoltingest]

I am trying to look into it, but I am no expert on looking for medical papers that explain it a way I can understand. so my replay may take some time.

What I do take away from this discussion is that I am forced to look for answers, and hopefully find that my worries has been for nothing

Just to clear up some recent conversations (not just this one),
- I force no one to read or believe anything.
- I advocate for what I think correct, & believe to be right.
- I threaten no one. Never fear this aging feckless groundskeeper.
- I believe what I post.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Just to clear up some recent conversations (not just this one),
- I force no one to read or believe anything.
- I advocate for what I think correct, & believe to be right.
- I threaten no one. Never fear this aging feckless groundskeeper.
- I believe what I post.

I was not scared Into doing some research Your words may have open my eyes a bit to my own skepticism , and that is not wrong of you to do.

 

[ChristineM]

My brother in law is paranoid schizophrenic, he too would not have the vaccine. Towards the end of December he contracted covid19. Although not hospitalised he was very ill, more so than flu that he caught 2 years previously. Comparing the two the covid was for him, considerably worse.

He overcame his paranoia in favour of vaccination.

 

[F1fan]

Your freedoms and concerns are not an issue for the unvaccinated. I have commented on this repeatedly of late in multiple threads - I can't find a scintilla of evidence that the fears of the vaccinated matter at all. You or I might discuss their fears as I just did above, but yours just aren't in their thoughts or words.

They care about their perceived right to work unvaccinated even in hospitals, but don't seem to have any interest in how that affects the people around them. It simply never comes up, not even in the form of, "Yes, I know they also have concerns, but I don't care," or, "Mine are more important." Your concerns simply don't matter to these people begging others to respect theirs.

My question to this category of folks (who claim a certain autonomy from any obligation to society while still getting huge benefits from that society) is what their thinking process is, step by step. It tends to be incomplete and self-serving, and contrary to social contract theory.

This is similar to the remarkable phenomenon I've noted that you just can't get the willfully unvaccinated to discuss the risk of COVID in their analysis of whether to take the vaccine.

The last time I pointed this out - a day or two ago - I mentioned that the decision can only be made intelligently by comparing the risks of the vaccine to the risk of going unvaccinated, and the reply was a wall of words cut-and-paste from a source that was discussing vaccine side effects.

When this person told me that the long term effects of the vaccine were unknown, I answered that [a] no vaccine has been known to have late onset (more than 2-6 months after vaccination) complications and you don't know what late complications might arise from a case of severe COVID, including shortened life expectancy, more frequent and earlier dementia, more frequent renal failure in diabetics, and the like. The reply ignored that and repeated that the vaccine isn't adequately studied.

I don't know if it's poor reasoning skill, or just biased thinking to help satisfy the ego. To my mind there's little different between a suicide bomber and a person who takes deadly risks with their health. They assign more meaning to what they believe than their own life. It's incredibly irrational yet we see people taking these risks.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[F1fan]

I am trying to look into it, but I am no expert on looking for medical papers that explain it a way I can understand. so my replay may take some time.

What I do take away from this discussion is that I am forced to look for answers, and hopefully find that my worries has been for nothing

I think the risk of getting Covid is worse than the risks of the vaccines. Covid can cause permanent damage to organs which is why I was being cautious to not get infected. It's all a lottery. Following the advice of experts is vastly better than we lay people trying to research a variety of things on the internet.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I think the risk of getting Covid is worse than the risks of the vaccines. Covid can cause permanent damage to organs which is why I was being cautious to not get infected. It's all a lottery. Following the advice of experts is vastly better than we lay people trying to research a variety of things on the internet.

Over the weekend I will have a new chat with my doctor, he is usually very good at explaining to me And I do not want to be irresponsible and make others sick because of my own fear

 

[Revoltingest]

Over the weekend I will have a new chat with my doctor, he is usually very good at explaining to me And I do not want to be irresponsible and make others sick because of my own fear

You seem a good dude.
Our sometime disagreements are pleasant.
Some here should learn from you.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You seem a good dude.
Our sometime disagreements are pleasant.
Some here should learn from you.

I try do what i believe is the right to do, but sometimes my choices in life may not be the best, so to adapt to the situation and accept my faults has become very important to me.
That we disagree on certain topics is to me very natural and should not hindrance to people from having a good time together

 

[Revoltingest]

I try do what i believe is the right to do, but sometimes my choices in life may not be the best, so to adapt to the situation and accept my faults has become very important to me.
That we disagree on certain topics is to me very natural and should not hinder people from having a good time together

Everyone learns.
('cept for the ones who don't.)

 

[Spirit of Light]

Everyone learns.
('cept for the ones who don't.)

Wise words there buddy

 

[Revoltingest]

Wise words there buddy

Not the usual reaction to my posts.
Too often it's.
"Why don't you ***** ***** ****** ****** up the old ****** *****
***** & **** ***** til the **** ***** ****** pig's chuckle!"

Dang, I'm gonna wear out that profanity filter.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Not the usual reaction to my posts.
Too often it's.
"Why don't you ***** ***** ****** ****** up the old ****** *****
***** & **** ***** til the **** ***** ****** pig's chuckle!"

Dang, I'm gonna wear out that profanity filter.

Pig`s Chuckle WUT is that

 

[halbhh]

I’m a diagnosed schizophrenic. As a result, I am 100% paranoid of all governments and CANNOT trust them in the slightest. The government is pressuring me to get vaccinated. Due to my paranoia, that is something I can never do (as someone who is being treated efficiently for my condition).
So what about me? I’ll never have a vaccination card. Do people want me to be segregated from society? With all these talks of vaccine passports and mandates, I feel like my time in participating in society is completely over. I feel absolutely discriminated against. I will never get the vaccine. I CANT get the vaccine, as my paranoid views of the government won’t change. They’re the illuminati who drink baby blood and want to sterilize all of us, yo. I don’t see that belief of mine being able to change, and that is a symptom of what I have.
So what about me? I’ll never get the jab, so is society going to completely shun me now? What about the people who cannot get the vaccine. Like legitimately they cannot, it’s not just an opinion of theirs. What about us? It feels like society is abandoning us. I am not alone in this predicament.

The main problem for an unvaccinated person: risk of severe illness, 29 times higher risk of hospitalization compared to vaccinated people....

And, risk of death from Covid, Delta variant.

 

[Revoltingest]

Pig`s Chuckle WUT is that

It's the part of a pig between the tail & the enteron terminus.

 

[idea]

I’m a diagnosed schizophrenic. As a result, I am 100% paranoid of all governments and CANNOT trust them in the slightest. The government is pressuring me to get vaccinated. Due to my paranoia, that is something I can never do (as someone who is being treated efficiently for my condition).
So what about me? I’ll never have a vaccination card. Do people want me to be segregated from society? With all these talks of vaccine passports and mandates, I feel like my time in participating in society is completely over. I feel absolutely discriminated against. I will never get the vaccine. I CANT get the vaccine, as my paranoid views of the government won’t change. They’re the illuminati who drink baby blood and want to sterilize all of us, yo. I don’t see that belief of mine being able to change, and that is a symptom of what I have.
So what about me? I’ll never get the jab, so is society going to completely shun me now? What about the people who cannot get the vaccine. Like legitimately they cannot, it’s not just an opinion of theirs. What about us? It feels like society is abandoning us. I am not alone in this predicament.

I've been wearing masks even though I'm vaccinated because I have kids who attend public school. One of my kids just tested positive, so good thing I have been being careful. I've always been pretty healthy, but know others are not, and am just scared of inadvertently hurting someone so I'm vaccinated and I wear mask, and socially distance - not for myself, but for others.

Hope you are able to stay healthy.