No, it isn't. It just turns out that it is even worse for believers.
I wonder why you seek it.
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What annoys me about this "debate"
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No, it isn't. It just turns out that it is even worse for believers.
I wonder why you seek it.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I wonder why atheists hang around...religious forums.
There are numerous threads about this all over the forum.
I find it interesting that the consensus is, these threads are unproductive and yet the same folks who complain start the threads repetitively.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Do you consider the attempted education of the ignorant "bashing""?
It is the pseudoscientific ideas of YEC and ID that are debunked by Atheists, Deists, Buddhists, Christians, Agnostics, etc...
Religious belief itself is irrelevant.
When you attempt to"educate" someone to think differently, you are proselytizing your agenda.
Am I? I must think about that sometime. That is not quite how I understand the meaning of the word.
ninerbuff
godless wonder
Okay I was pwned.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
So, promoting empirical evidence to contradict pseudoscientific nonsense is proselytizing?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
If you term religious with dogmatic.....maybe....
I love science....
Science is how we learn of God.
My high school teachers were proselytizing?
You're the only one calling it "belief bashing", and you appear to be doing that to gain sympathy.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Then shut up with your false accusations of belief bashing.
Absolutley not! It is fine to produce evidence which supports your position, actually it is encouraged. The thing is, you still have to allow a person the right to be willfully ignorant. You don't have to respect their ignorance, but you must allow them to have a mind of their own.
It is when you imply, you must think like me. You must come to the same conclusions that I do because I hold the truth and you are ignorant.
"I need to educate you" so you will think as I do and vote like I do, that my friends, is proselytizing.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
The problem is people who refuse to accept mountains of evidence are programmed by religious organisations and can't critically analyse anything and certainly do not have a mind of their own.
Think about it, most of the threads we see here is, "do we have any willfully ignorant people here that will debate with me?"
Seriously, it is an attempt to fetter out people and ridicule them for their superstitious ways.
We all know people with science backgrounds will prevail in any debate that involves science.
I just don't see many YEC out looking for a debate.
What I see is people who love to shine a light on the less educated in an attempt to ridicule them or to get them to "throw away their ignorant superstitious ways" and walk in lockstep with the evolution evangelists.
Seriously, it is an attempt to fetter out people and ridicule them for their superstitious ways.
We all know people with science backgrounds will prevail in any debate that involves science.
I just don't see many YEC out looking for a debate.
What I see is people who love to shine a light on the less educated in an attempt to ridicule them or to get them to "throw away their ignorant superstitious ways" and walk in lockstep with the evolution evangelists.
I agree with that statement. You are right, they are not reasoning on their own, they are choosing faith over evidence.
From my advantage point, I see two groups tugging on the same weak person.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
What you (along with myself) see a lot here is people who are wilfully ignorant debating those of us with a scientific education. People who are simply uneducated learn and do not argue. Those who know better but are just looking to stir or refuse to accept facts are willfully ignorant.
Wilful ignorance does not always infer a lack of education. I know people who are graduate engineers who are wilfully ignorant of my job and think I get paid to play with dirt.
The problem is people confronting other members with fragile positions and then trying to defend them. For example i'm not big on biology, it is not my strong point. Being wilfully ignorant would be starting a debate on the topic when I know I cannot defend my position. Thats the problem. These people jump in the deep end and then claim to be the victim when people who are educated on the subject try and correct them. The more these people resort to diversionary tactics the more they will attract criticism. Long story short they bring it on themselves and then play the victim which I think teaches them nothing.
I see things a bit differently. I don't see YEC starting threads. I see science loving atheists with superior intelligence and education taking on mental midgets who are defending their honor and beliefs.
They get sucked into these debates with insulting titles.
Myself, I'm a businessman. I am of above average intelligence and have an MBA. I don't know crap about science but what I can remember in school as a child.
I'm smart enough to know I am unable to debate what a two thousand year old book says.
Perhaps if we stuck to debating with two thousand year old science books it would be a fair debate.
Back to my point, If I where to say, "You need to abandon your education and have blind belief in the Bible such as I". That would be P-tizing.
Myself, I am an evolution agnostic. I'm not saying science is wrong, I am willing to admit I am ignorant and truthfully could care less.
I'm not trying to convince anyone with my superior ignorance. I'm not going to invite anyone to church or tell you the time might just be at hand and you need to get right with God.
Hell, God might not exist. When science advances to the point that there is no longer any mystery, I will crack open a science book. Right now, my mind is on summer time and enjoying life with people who think like me and folks who disagree.
Life is too short to get our undies in a bunch about this.
They get sucked into these debates with insulting titles.
Myself, I'm a businessman. I am of above average intelligence and have an MBA. I don't know crap about science but what I can remember in school as a child.
I'm smart enough to know I am unable to debate what a two thousand year old book says.
Perhaps if we stuck to debating with two thousand year old science books it would be a fair debate.
Back to my point, If I where to say, "You need to abandon your education and have blind belief in the Bible such as I". That would be P-tizing.
Myself, I am an evolution agnostic. I'm not saying science is wrong, I am willing to admit I am ignorant and truthfully could care less.
I'm not trying to convince anyone with my superior ignorance. I'm not going to invite anyone to church or tell you the time might just be at hand and you need to get right with God.
Hell, God might not exist. When science advances to the point that there is no longer any mystery, I will crack open a science book. Right now, my mind is on summer time and enjoying life with people who think like me and folks who disagree.
Life is too short to get our undies in a bunch about this.
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