It is, until the evidence is brought to the table. Then it becomes a documented fact.
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What annoys me about this "debate"
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It is, until the evidence is brought to the table. Then it becomes a documented fact.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
There is no evidence for it without first assuming it to be true.
That, I'm afraid, is a simple, straight lie.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Then show me this common ancestor.
Gunfingers
Happiness Incarnate
Holy crap, guys, Man_Of_Faith just disproved everything about science EVAR! If you can't see it it never existed!
This revolutionizes everything! Almost every criminal is going to have to be released from prison, every museum is going to have to be dismantled, every medical diagnosis cancelled. It's all over. All of our scientific advances for the past hundred years are all lies, and we know that now, thanks to Man_Of_Faith pointing out that if you can't see it, it isn't there.
This revolutionizes everything! Almost every criminal is going to have to be released from prison, every museum is going to have to be dismantled, every medical diagnosis cancelled. It's all over. All of our scientific advances for the past hundred years are all lies, and we know that now, thanks to Man_Of_Faith pointing out that if you can't see it, it isn't there.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Has anyone ever been convicted on convincing circumstantial evidence then later found out they are innocent? That is what is happing with evolution, the jury convicted and said it was true, now they are scrambling to uphold the conviction with circumstantial non-objective evidence.
Gunfingers
Happiness Incarnate
To carry on with this analogy, we found the accused carrying a weapon that matched the mode of the victim's death, finding the victim's DNA on the accused and the accused's DNA on the victim, And found in the place the victim as killed. Then, when the jury voted to convict, Man_Of_Faith stood up and said "But no one saw it happen! That means it didn't happen!"
Yerda
Veteran Member
I agree, it is just a gargantuan coincidence that the mountains of evidence continuously confirm hypotheses that fit into and sustain the evolutionary framework. That no finding from any of the natural sciences casts the barest shadow of doubt upon evolution's tenets is simply confirmation that the jury is rigged. Obvious.
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outhouse
Atheistically
not in the least
there is no imagination at all. There is however a clear path for humans leading back to a common ancestor documented with DNA and fossil evidence.
outhouse
Atheistically
this whole statement has been found to be scientifically inaccurate.
can you site any real examples of gargantuan coincidence or are you just blowing smoke???
evolution has been observed in labs countless times and among the educated, there is no debate at all
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Show me the fossil of the common ancestor of chimp and human.
outhouse
Atheistically
here ya go
Nakalipithecus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nakalipithecus nakayamai
Temporal range: Tortonian 9.9–9.8 Ma
Scientific classificationKingdom:AnimaliaPhylum:ChordataClass:MammaliaOrder:PrimatesFamily:HominidaeSubfamily:HomininaeGenus:Nakalipithecus
Kunimatsu et al 2007.Species:N. nakayamaiBinomial nameNakalipithecus nakayamai
Kunimatsu et al 2007.
Nakalipithecus nakayamai is a prehistoric great ape species that lived in today's Kenya region early in the Late Miocene, 10 million years ago (mya).[1][2] It is the type species of the new genus Nakalipithecus. This ape was described from a fossil jawbone and eleven isolated teeth excavated in 2005 by a team of Japanese and Kenyan researchers in mud flow deposits in Nakali region of northern Kenya's Rift Valley Province,[1][2] giving the genus its scientific name which means "Nakali ape".
The fossil teeth were covered in thick enamel, suggesting that the diet of this hominoid included a considerable amount of hard objects, possibly nuts or seeds. According to Kyoto University researchers, the Nakalipithecus species is very close to the last common ancestor of gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans. It can therefore be considered a basal member of the Homininae, before they split up into the three lineages alive today. Nakalipithecus also resembles the genus Ouranopithecus, another prehistoric hominid species found in present-day Greece.[1]
The evolutionary importance of Nakalipithecus is twofold: first, together with Ouranopithecus it provides evidence that the Homininae lineages of today diverged no earlier than some 8 million years ago. Second, it supports the theory that the closest relatives of humans evolved in Africa. The competing view - that modern-type Great Apes went extinct in Africa and that the Homininae were originally an Asian lineage which only later recolonized Africa - is hard to reconcile with the early Late Miocene presence of a basal hominine in Africa.[3]
The name of the genus refers to Nakali, the region where the fossil was found, while the species is named after Japanese geologist Katsuhiro Nakayama who died while working on the project.[4]
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
here ya go
Nakalipithecus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nakalipithecus nakayamai
Temporal range: Tortonian 9.9–9.8 Ma
Scientific classificationKingdom:AnimaliaPhylum:ChordataClass:MammaliaOrder:PrimatesFamily:HominidaeSubfamily:HomininaeGenus:Nakalipithecus
Kunimatsu et al 2007.Species:N. nakayamaiBinomial nameNakalipithecus nakayamai
Kunimatsu et al 2007.
Nakalipithecus nakayamai is a prehistoric great ape species that lived in today's Kenya region early in the Late Miocene, 10 million years ago (mya).[1][2] It is the type species of the new genus Nakalipithecus. This ape was described from a fossil jawbone and eleven isolated teeth excavated in 2005 by a team of Japanese and Kenyan researchers in mud flow deposits in Nakali region of northern Kenya's Rift Valley Province,[1][2] giving the genus its scientific name which means "Nakali ape".
The fossil teeth were covered in thick enamel, suggesting that the diet of this hominoid included a considerable amount of hard objects, possibly nuts or seeds. According to Kyoto University researchers, the Nakalipithecus species is very close to the last common ancestor of gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans. It can therefore be considered a basal member of the Homininae, before they split up into the three lineages alive today. Nakalipithecus also resembles the genus Ouranopithecus, another prehistoric hominid species found in present-day Greece.[1]
The evolutionary importance of Nakalipithecus is twofold: first, together with Ouranopithecus it provides evidence that the Homininae lineages of today diverged no earlier than some 8 million years ago. Second, it supports the theory that the closest relatives of humans evolved in Africa. The competing view - that modern-type Great Apes went extinct in Africa and that the Homininae were originally an Asian lineage which only later recolonized Africa - is hard to reconcile with the early Late Miocene presence of a basal hominine in Africa.[3]
The name of the genus refers to Nakali, the region where the fossil was found, while the species is named after Japanese geologist Katsuhiro Nakayama who died while working on the project.[4]
How do we know that isn't just a unique type of primate? Only if you previously accept that humans and chimps have a common ancestor is how you can accept that this is one of the lineages.
That might be the case if fossils were everything we had to serve as evidence. As any biologist will tell you, that is not at all the case.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
These are all individual animals and then a human placed at the end. This assumes that evolution is true then places animals side by side and says, "look proof".
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Is homology proof of evolution? Only if you presuppose evolution.
If that were true, biology would be a wholy different field that what it actually is, MoF.
Gunfingers
Happiness Incarnate
It's not about a presupposition, it's about what explanation best fits the available evidence. When nested hierarchies were first observed evolution by common descent was proposed as the explaination. Darwin hypothesized that humans would share a common ancestor with modern great apes. One of the best indicators of the accuracy of a hypothesis is predictive power, and he predicted that fossil ancestors showing traits similar to both humans and chimps would be found.
Behold you have been shown an example of such an organism. With evidence like that the explaination that best fits the evidence is that that organism or one similar to it is an ancestor to both humans and chimps.