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What annoys me about this "debate"

darkendless

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
Reverend Rick said:
I see things a bit differently. I don't see YEC starting threads. I see science loving atheists with superior intelligence and education taking on mental midgets who are defending their honor and beliefs.

They get sucked into these debates with insulting titles.

Myself, I'm a businessman. I am of above average intelligence and have an MBA. I don't know crap about science but what I can remember in school as a child.

I'm smart enough to know I am unable to debate what a two thousand year old book says.

Perhaps if we stuck to debating with two thousand year old science books it would be a fair debate. :D

Back to my point, If I where to say, "You need to abandon your education and have blind belief in the Bible such as I". That would be P-tizing.

Myself, I am an evolution agnostic. I'm not saying science is wrong, I am willing to admit I am ignorant and truthfully could care less.

I'm not trying to convince anyone with my superior ignorance. I'm not going to invite anyone to church or tell you the time might just be at hand and you need to get right with God.

Hell, God might not exist. When science advances to the point that there is no longer any mystery, I will crack open a science book. Right now, my mind is on summer time and enjoying life with people who think like me and folks who disagree.

Life is too short to get our undies in a bunch about this.
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Fair call. The reason for my above post was seeing these YEC's doing 5 minutes of research and then telling people with superior knowledge that they don't know what they're talking about. Obviously its going to tick them off.

Mixing religion into the evolution debate is stupid. Its asking to get murdered in a debate. It cannot be the fault of the person with superior intillect for pointing out obvious facts. If the uneducated don't like it either do some research or ask questions. Arguing and complaining doesn't get anyone anywhere.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Sunstone said:
Then shut up with your false accusations of belief bashing.
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And you have something else to offer?

No?....and the title is.... what annoys me about this "debate".....

Are you not a good example?
I think so.

This is not a lie....only an observation.....
And your opportunity to be more introspective.
 
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M

Man of Faith

Well-Known Member
If there is no debate among biologists then they are doing their job properly, documenting the physical world only and not philosophizing about what it means. That is the Philospher's job. However in the real world there is controversy among biologists because they do go beyond science.
 
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Oneatatime

Oneatatime

Huh?
Panda said:
What really annoys me about the so called debate on Evolution, there is no real debate amongst biologists, is that so many people call it false without understanding it. I mean why does someone who done a quick internet search think they know more than someone has has spent 10, 20 or even 30 years of their life studying biology. I don't see these same people trying to contradict the engineers who designed their computer or the doctor who treats them in a hospital?

So why on this one subject do they question the experts? I am not a biologist, I know the basics but for other things I have to put my trust in the people who are the experts.
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There is debate but its about the specifics of evolutionary mechanisms, how they function and their relative significance. Experts are questioned all the time when the informed opinion of the experts contradicts the uninformed opinion of the idealogically or politically motivated.

It doesn't help that these uninformed individuals often consider the manner by which science progresses, the testing of hypothesis to provide a provisional explantion, to be a weakness as it lacks the certainty their uninformed convictions give them. Politicians and religious leaders are apt at exploiting this perception in order to turn people against the science when it suits them.
 
Sum1sGruj

Sum1sGruj

Active Member
Abuser said:
For the record, there is debates among scientists when it comes to evolution. There's no debate that it happens. What is debated though is the mechanisms behind it. That doesn't mean they're wrong, just working out the kinks.
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They are mighty big kinks. They resort to saying that a comet hit the Earth and killed all the dinosaurs instead of admitting publicly that their dating techniques aren't so reliable. Among many other things/
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Hell, God might not exist. When science advances to the point that there is no longer any mystery
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actually a good education in history and the bible "can" show a clear path that the abrahamic god figure was created,,, without science ever getting involved. But this is just my opinion after lengthy study in egyptian and sumerian and ancient hewbrews cultures.

I would like to thank you for the p-tizing lesson though, I always need help in this area

Life is too short to get our undies in a bunch about this.
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I agree
 
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839311

Well-Known Member
Jaiket said:
Of course, if your livelyhood depended on saying the things liberals want to hear, and finding the things liberals want to find, you'd toe the line as well. It's a plain fact that scientists get all their money from liberals, and left wing atheist organisations and that any right-wing, Christian, scientist is censored and any debate stifled with talk of "consensus".

You are blind to this because you are a socialist, athiest, whiny useless liberal who just sits about moaning about the world all day (but still somehow controls the media and the scienctific research programs, probably at night).
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:facepalm:
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Sum1sGruj said:
They are mighty big kinks. They resort to saying that a comet hit the Earth and killed all the dinosaurs instead of admitting publicly that their dating techniques aren't so reliable. Among many other things/
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does any ofthat have to do with ToE????


do you have any proof at all dating methods are not accurate???


do you have any proof at all a comet did not hit the earth???


these are not kinks because you do not agree with scientist findings
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Panda said:
What really annoys me about the so called debate on Evolution, there is no real debate amongst biologists, is that so many people call it false without understanding it. I mean why does someone who done a quick internet search think they know more than someone has has spent 10, 20 or even 30 years of their life studying biology. I don't see these same people trying to contradict the engineers who designed their computer or the doctor who treats them in a hospital?

So why on this one subject do they question the experts? I am not a biologist, I know the basics but for other things I have to put my trust in the people who are the experts.
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I agree


They question the experts soley because they do not like the answers given. nothing more.

its not based on a a different scientific understanding, its based on a SEVERE lack of scientific understanding
 
shoinan

shoinan

Member
Panda said:
What really annoys me about the so called debate on Evolution, there is no real debate amongst biologists, is that so many people call it false without understanding it. I mean why does someone who done a quick internet search think they know more than someone has has spent 10, 20 or even 30 years of their life studying biology. I don't see these same people trying to contradict the engineers who designed their computer or the doctor who treats them in a hospital?

So why on this one subject do they question the experts? I am not a biologist, I know the basics but for other things I have to put my trust in the people who are the experts.
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You know, I don't mind people questioning evolution. I think scepticism is a virtue and if you aren't convinced by what other people tell you then you should go and validate the information for yourself as much as you possibly can. Just because everyone says something is right doesn't mean it is.

What I dislike about this 'debate' are the utterly pathetic lies and wilful ignorance displayed by some creationist posters. Like you say, half of them are arguing against their own false, ever-changing representation of evolution. You only need to read a GCSE biology book to get a better understanding of what the ToE proposes compared to what some creationists display here.

It's not a huge leap to suggest the reason why some creationists argue so deceitfully and desperately is that they're terrified by how evolution contradicts a part of their theology, but that for me represents the thing I don't get the most. If I believed in a god, I'd much rather believe in one who had the intelligence to lay down such a beautiful, self-sustaining and self-correcting mechanism for life instead of a cheap showman who just clicked his fingers and pulled a human out of his godly hat.
 
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