What are the best and worst things about heaven?

[Trailblazer]

According to the Bible, everything is made of gemstones and whoever goes there will be singing praises to god ‘forever and ever’.

Where in the Bible does it say that?

There’s no day, no night, no sleep.

That is correct.

There is only sunrise and sunset in this earthly world where the earth rotates around the sun. When there is no more sunrise, and no more sunset, there cannot be day and night.

We only have a physical body in this life. In the next life we will have a spiritual body. A spiritual body has no need for sleep. Only physical bodies have such a need.

 

[Tomef]

Where in the Bible does it say that?

That is correct.

There is only sunrise and sunset in this earthly world where the earth rotates around the sun. When there is no more sunrise, and no more sunset, there cannot be day and night.

We only have a physical body in this life. In the next life we will have a spiritual body. A spiritual body has no need for sleep. Only physical bodies have such a need.

This sort of thing

“Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7‬:‭15‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Revelation 7:15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence. | New International Version (NIV) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.

bible.com

I mean, what exactly are they doing, day and night, forever?

The walls and streets made of gold and jewels part is in chapter 21.

 

[Tomef]

Where in the Bible does it say that?

That is correct.

There is only sunrise and sunset in this earthly world where the earth rotates around the sun. When there is no more sunrise, and no more sunset, there cannot be day and night.

We only have a physical body in this life. In the next life we will have a spiritual body. A spiritual body has no need for sleep. Only physical bodies have such a need.

Sleep isn’t just for rest.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

How arrogant can a religion be, to claim that all of Christendom is wrong and only their small sect is right.

I’ve explained this, several times.

Almost all denominations of Christendom support the world’s conflicts, killing their enemies (Matthew 5:44) & even their brothers. — John 13:34,35; 15:12,14,17,19

And the very few that don’t, either worship a Trinity or Jesus.

Were the First-century Christians arrogant to believe that the Apostles were the only ones in the world that had the Truth?

As Jesus Himself said, ‘Cramped is the road leading to life, and few find it.’

And you think you know what that [the itinerary of those going to Heaven] is?

Yes, the Bible tells us. It’s very clear about it.

But as you said:

You also have nothing to offer me, nothing that I want.

So I won’t bother… it’ll be up to you to find out…so when you’re more receptive & you want to learn about this and other aspects, just ask a JW to show you what the Scriptures say, when they are in your neighborhood going door-to-door.

As a part of the JW religion, you have nothing to offer @Sgt. Pepper, which is why she did not respond.

I wasn’t offering her anything. Was I?
She said when she was a street evangelist, she converted some Jehovah’s Witnesses. I simply called her on it, and asked her, What did she teach them? How did she convert them?

Silence.

And for the record, there were no “idle threats” from me toward her.

I’m genuinely saddened about the deception these spirits are playing on her. Including so many others! And Jehovah God recognizes the extent of this deception, and one day she will be enlightened. I’m sure she’ll be shocked at first, but eventually happy i hope to learn the truth.

These spirits know their appointed “time” is coming. —Matthew 8:29; Revelation 12:9,12

 

[Hockeycowboy]

This sort of thing

“Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7‬:‭15‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Revelation 7:15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence. | New International Version (NIV) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.

bible.com

I mean, what exactly are they doing, day and night, forever?

The walls and streets made of gold and jewels part is in chapter 21.

This phrase, “Before the throne”, in Greek literally means “in sight of the throne.”

Just FYI.

 

[Nakosis]

What are the best and worst things about heaven?
I’ll start. There are a lot more things but these are my top 5.

Best things about heaven:

1. No more cars or traffic.
2. No more houses to take care of.
3. No more physical ailments or physical pain.
4. No more grief when loved ones die.
5. Seeing loved ones again.

Worst things about heaven:

1. There is no way of knowing what it will be like.
2. There is no itinerary.
3. There is no return ticket if we don’t like it.
4. Eternity is a long time.
5. There might be no animals there.

According to Scientology, this is the "afterlife".

Earth is hell(a prison). You ended up here because sometime in your past existence you were deem a threat to the rest of the galaxy either by being too smart or by being too evil.
(Being too smart, you were a threat to the power structure currently in charge of the galaxy)

When you die, you've been programmed to return to a processing plant in space, have all the memories of your current life removed and implanted into a a new born to start a different life on planet earth.

The only way to free yourself is to remove the programed condition to return to one of these processing plants. This is the ultimate goal of Scientology auditing. Then you'll be free to travel the universe as a spirit. You can still take over another physical body if you want or float about the universe as a spiritual being. Freedom to do, act as you wish.

So heaven, freedom from Earth. Freedom from being a slave to matter. You can pretty much experience any life/existence you wish.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

If I ever get to those gates, I'm going to ask St P three questions:
Is Jimi there?
Is Kurt there?
Is Janis there?

No? OK. I'm off downstairs...

As Twain said, "Heaven for the climate, hell for the company."

If it existed, it sounds so unutterably dull that after a few thousand years people would be begging for death.

Believers never ask why so many angels rebelled in heaven after having a first-hand look at it. It certainly wasn't anything they wanted.

And what souls wouldn't, given infinite time, eventually want to leave as well? Believers tell us that their god doesn't want robots with no free will and unable to make choices, which is why it gave us free will, but we don't hear how that works in heaven. If souls there still have free will, they will eat forbidden apples in heaven eventually. And if there is no free will, then there are the robots as believers call them.

Here's a hypothetical. At death, you get a chance to choose immortality or the permanent extinction of your consciousness then and there. Either choice is irreversible, and you don't get to preview the afterlife before deciding. What do you choose?

That's easy for me. The possibility of eternal consciousness with no hope of escape and no way to know how much of it will be unpleasant or just how unpleasant it might be after billions of billions of billions of years (and that's not even a percent of a percent of the total) ought to cause great dread and angst.

Imagine choosing consciousness and eventually regretting it, but you're trapped awake to endure whatever unknown things befall you. You'd spend eternity regretting that choice, something that can't happen if one chooses endless sleep instead.

According to the Bible, everything is made of gold and gemstones and whoever goes there will be singing praises to god ‘forever and ever’.

Sounds like Mar-a-Lago with its golden toilets and its resident black whole of endless need for praise.

now you talk with dead people perhaps?

You pray to Jesus.

I believe you are misunderstanding what Jesus meant. Many people, including back in the first century forward, certainly misunderstood in various ways what Jesus was actually saying.

I guess that you can't see why that's not a divine teacher. A divine teacher would be clear and unambiguous. Many mortals are, so why not a god? Nobody's arguing about what Sagan meant, for example. There are no denominations of Sagan understanding.

you should have wondered, ‘How can Christendom have Christ’s truth, when they’ve been disobedient to Christ by killing their brothers during war (John 13:34,35; 15:17), joining the world in its conflicts (John 15:19)?’

This gets back to my comment above. Not much of a teacher if in your opinion most Christians didn't take Jesus' points.

Are you saying JW’s heckled you? We don’t resort to such tactics.

That's been my experience with JWs as well, although my experience is limited to people knocking at my door and posters here on RF (and an earlier but now defunct similar message board).

Another poster wrote, "I believe when confronted with the truth JWs flee." I described my relatively recent experiences with a couple of JWs who gave up on me in less than five minutes when I disagreed with them about the world and life, which they saw as very negative even though I'll bet their lives were pretty good as was mine.

I told them that I am happy and found the world a mixed bag, but like most of the people around me, my life was good. If theirs wasn't, it was because of bad luck (health) or maybe bad decisions (mates) - not that the world was a terrible place or that there wasn't the opportunity for many to live safely and comfortably.

As you know from my previous telling of this encounter to you, they were friendly and polite, but after they heard that, they thanked me and left. I wouldn't describe that as fleeing, although one might make a case that they were afraid of the truth.

Still, afraid would not be my word. They had their own truth and thought I had none. I think that they considered me a dead end, and they were correct. They had no chance of attracting me to their Kingdom Hall, but it's interesting how quickly they concluded that an on what basis.

But you can sense the disapproval and condemnation of one denomination for another in those words just because they are very different.

in this instance, you’re basing your beliefs on ‘what you want to believe.’

That's how the outsiders sees all denominations. You're a JW because that's what you chose to believe. Somebody else chooses Pentecostalism and another Mormonism - all radically different and all choices reflecting what they prefer.

And you say that we are the “least knowledgeable” about the Bible? Why are you writing these things?

Now for three things I don't like about Abrahamic religion:

[1] It's divisive. Isn't that what every denomination says about denominations that are very different from theirs? The Catholics say so about the Protestants and vice-versa, and your denomination disesteems them both as do they yours. And that's what you were just experiencing by another poster using words implying a fear of truth to describe yours.

The day is coming - soon - when Jehovah God will deal with your “spirits”, and you’ll find out the truth. I hope you’ll be able to accept it.

[2] The threats, sometimes implied, sometimes explicit.

For those who are “chosen” (by God) to go to Heaven

[3] The exclusivity. The sense of being chosen above others, of there being people that are unacceptable to a good god because they didn't guess correctly.

 

[Trailblazer]

This sort of thing

“Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7‬:‭15‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Revelation 7:15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence. | New International Version (NIV) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.

bible.com

As with all Bible verses, that verse need to be read and understood in context.
Revelation‬ ‭7‬:‭15‬ is referring to those in white robes, it is not referring to everyone who goes to heaven. I cannot say I know who those in white robes are, since trying to interpret the Book of Revelation and distill its meaning is near impossible, given there is so much symbolism in it.

Revelation‬ ‭7
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore,

“they are before the throne of God
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
will shelter them with his presence.
16 ‘Never again will they hunger;
never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat down on them,’[a]
nor any scorching heat.
17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne
will be their shepherd;
‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’[b]
‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’[c]”

I mean, what exactly are they doing, day and night, forever?

As I said before, there will be no day or night in heaven, but I understand that is just a figure of speech.
The question that remains is: What will anyone be doing in heaven, which is a fair quetion, since they will be there forever, no matter who they are.

The walls and streets made of gold and jewels part is in chapter 21.

I believe that language is figurative, not literal, a way to express how glorious heaven will be.
However, nobody is going to know what heaven is like till they arrive there.

 

[Trailblazer]

Sleep isn’t just for rest.

I guess sleep is also for dreaming.
It is possible that there is something akin to sleep in the spiritual world.
As I keep saying, we won't know what it is like until we arrive in heaven.

 

[YoursTrue]

As Twain said, "Heaven for the climate, hell for the company."

Believers never ask why so many angels rebelled in heaven after having a first-hand look at it. It certainly wasn't anything they wanted.

And what souls wouldn't, given infinite time, eventually want to leave as well? Believers tell us that their god doesn't want robots with no free will and unable to make choices, which is why it gave us free will, but we don't hear how that works in heaven. If souls there still have free will, they will eat forbidden apples in heaven eventually. And if there is no free will, then there are the robots as believers call them.

Here's a hypothetical. At death, you get a chance to choose immortality or the permanent extinction of your consciousness then and there. Either choice is irreversible, and you don't get to preview the afterlife before deciding. What do you choose?

That's easy for me. The possibility of eternal consciousness with no hope of escape and no way to know how much of it will be unpleasant or just how unpleasant it might be after billions of billions of billions of years (and that's not even a percent of a percent of the total) ought to cause great dread and angst.

Imagine choosing consciousness and eventually regretting it, but you're trapped awake to endure whatever unknown things befall you. You'd spend eternity regretting that choice, something that can't happen if one chooses endless sleep instead.

Sounds like Mar-a-Lago with its golden toilets and its resident black whole of endless need for praise.

You pray to Jesus.

I guess that you can't see why that's not a divine teacher. A divine teacher would be clear and unambiguous. Many mortals are, so why not a god? Nobody's arguing about what Sagan meant, for example. There are no denominations of Sagan understanding.

This gets back to my comment above. Not much of a teacher if in your opinion most Christians didn't take Jesus' points.

That's been my experience with JWs as well, although my experience is limited to people knocking at my door and posters here on RF (and an earlier but now defunct similar message board).

Another poster wrote, "I believe when confronted with the truth JWs flee." I described my relatively recent experiences with a couple of JWs who gave up on me in less than five minutes when I disagreed with them about the world and life, which they saw as very negative even though I'll bet their lives were pretty good as was mine.

I told them that I am happy and found the world a mixed bag, but like most of the people around me, my life was good. If theirs wasn't, it was because of bad luck (health) or maybe bad decisions (mates) - not that the world was a terrible place or that there wasn't the opportunity for many to live safely and comfortably.

As you know from my previous telling of this encounter to you, they were friendly and polite, but after they heard that, they thanked me and left. I wouldn't describe that as fleeing, although one might make a case that they were afraid of the truth.

Still, afraid would not be my word. They had their own truth and thought I had none. I think that they considered me a dead end, and they were correct. They had no chance of attracting me to their Kingdom Hall, but it's interesting how quickly they concluded that an on what basis.

But you can sense the disapproval and condemnation of one denomination for another in those words just because they are very different.

That's how the outsiders sees all denominations. You're a JW because that's what you chose to believe. Somebody else chooses Pentecostalism and anotherwain Mormonism - all radically different and all choices reflecting what they prefer.

Now for three things I don't like about Abrahamic religion:

[1] It's divisive. Isn't that what every denomination says about denominations that are very different from theirs? The Catholics say so about the Protestants and vice-versa, and your denomination disesteems them both as do they yours. And that's what you were just experiencing by another poster using words implying a fear of truth to describe yours.

[2] The threats, sometimes implied, sometimes explicit.

[3] The exclusivity. The sense of being chosen above others, of there being people that are unacceptable to a good god because they didn't guess correctly.

Twain, as many do, had the wrong idea about what hell is. I read Dante's Inferno long before I became a believer in God and examined the Bible, and felt it was a bunch of hogwash. P.S. It wasn't Dante's fault that it was so misconstrued -- religious leaders made it that way (and still do much of the time).

 

[Trailblazer]

According to Scientology, this is the "afterlife".

Earth is hell(a prison). You ended up here because sometime in your past existence you were deem a threat to the rest of the galaxy either by being too smart or by being too evil.
(Being too smart, you were a threat to the power structure currently in charge of the galaxy)

When you die, you've been programmed to return to a processing plant in space, have all the memories of your current life removed and implanted into a a new born to start a different life on planet earth.

The only way to free yourself is to remove the programed condition to return to one of these processing plants. This is the ultimate goal of Scientology auditing. Then you'll be free to travel the universe as a spirit. You can still take over another physical body if you want or float about the universe as a spiritual being. Freedom to do, act as you wish.

Imo, that is a really strange belief, although I can see how it would be attractive to some people to have the freedom to do and act as you wish.

So heaven, freedom from Earth. Freedom from being a slave to matter.

I agree with the part above about being a slave to matter because most people are a slave to matter in this world of matter.

You can pretty much experience any life/existence you wish.

I believe that what we will experience will depend upon the person we had become in this life. Everyone will not have the same experience .
However, I believe there will be much to experience so in that sense the above statement is true.

“O My servants! Sorrow not if, in these days and on this earthly plane, things contrary to your wishes have been ordained and manifested by God, for days of blissful joy, of heavenly delight, are assuredly in store for you. Worlds, holy and spiritually glorious, will be unveiled to your eyes. You are destined by Him, in this world and hereafter, to partake of their benefits, to share in their joys, and to obtain a portion of their sustaining grace. To each and every one of them you will, no doubt, attain.”

Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 323-329

 

[ChristineM]

Heaven?

If it exists then i won't be going there and that pleases me. There are people who are convinced they are in the book and will be in heaven after they die. I'd prefer the other place rather than the hell of facing them again.

If it doesn't exist which is my belief, i.e. heaven, in the same was as god(s) exists in believers minds. Then nothing lost.

 

[Trailblazer]

Heaven?

If it exists then i won't be going there and that pleases me. There are people who are convinced they are in the book and will be in heaven after they die. I'd prefer the other place rather than the hell of facing them again.

If it doesn't exist which is my belief, i.e. heaven, in the same was as god(s) exists in believers minds. Then nothing lost.

My late husband's mother who was raided as a Christian but fell away told him this:
I don't know is there is a heaven but I know there is a hell because I have been there for my whole life.

My late husband used to muse about how my sentiments I reminded him of his mother and I was inclined to agree with him.

It is really difficult for me to believe that there is a heaven as promised in scriptures, an existence that is joyful and glorious, because I have no experience to base that upon. so I cannot imagine what that would be like. I also don't like not knowing what I will be doing or who I will be with. I don't enjoy being with other believers in this life so why would I enjoy being with them in the next life? Maybe I'll just be all alone, but hopefully I will see my late husband and the rest of my family.

 

[YoursTrue]

Heaven?

If it exists then i won't be going there and that pleases me. There are people who are convinced they are in the book and will be in heaven after they die. I'd prefer the other place rather than the hell of facing them again.

If it doesn't exist which is my belief, i.e. heaven, in the same was as god(s) exists in believers minds. Then nothing lost.

Not that I agree with your concept of heaven and hell, but I guess you don't mind being tortured as a choice. Not that I believe anyone like you will be tortured, but that seems to be what you're saying. Anyway, you won't have a choice. so that's the end to that.

 

[ChristineM]

My late husband's mother who was raided as a Christian but fell away told him this:
I don't know is there is a heaven but I know there is a hell because I have been there for my whole life.

My late husband used to muse about how my sentiments I reminded him of his mother and I was inclined to agree with him.

It is really difficult for me to believe that there is a heaven as promised in scriptures, an existence that is joyful and glorious, because I have no experience to base that upon. so I cannot imagine what that would be like. I also don't like not knowing what I will be doing or who I will be with. I don't enjoy being with other believers in this life so why would I enjoy being with them in the next life? Maybe I'll just be all alone, but hopefully I will see my late husband and the rest of my family.

I too have spent time in hell, about 6 months of my life which i count as the worst time of my life, to the extent some 14 years later i still occasionally wake screaming from the nightmare it left me with.

Still, better than heaven eh?

 

[Trailblazer]

I’ve explained this, several times.

Almost all denominations of Christendom support the world’s conflicts, killing their enemies (Matthew 5:44) & even their brothers. — John 13:34,35; 15:12,14,17,19

I think that is a false accusation. I see no difference between the JWs and the other Christians in that regard.

And the very few that don’t, either worship a Trinity or Jesus.

That is a fair point since the Trinity is false and Jesus never wanted anyone to worship him. He said to worship only God.

Were the First-century Christians arrogant to believe that the Apostles were the only ones in the world that had the Truth?

No, but that does not mean that the JWs are the only ones in the world that have the Truth

As Jesus Himself said, ‘Cramped is the road leading to life, and few find it.’

That does not mean that the JWs are the ones who have found the road leading to life.

Yes, the Bible tells us. It’s very clear about it.

So what do you think the itinerary of those going to Heaven is and what verses support that belief?

…so when you’re more receptive & you want to learn about this and other aspects, just ask a JW to show you what the Scriptures say, when they are in your neighborhood going door-to-door.

I do not live in a neighborhood so nobody comes to my door.
Scriptures do not say anything since they do not jump off the page and talk. They need to be read and interpreted in order to understand their meanings. I think the JWs have misinterpreted many verses and if a JWs showed up at my door I would explain why those verses do not mean what JWs think they mean.

I wasn’t offering her anything. Was I?
She said when she was a street evangelist, she converted some Jehovah’s Witnesses. I simply called her on it, and asked her, What did she teach them? How did she convert them?

Silence.

I know how she did that but it is not my place to share that with you.
I am also wondering why you want to know. Why does it bother you that some JWs were converted to evangelical Christianity?

I’m genuinely saddened about the deception these spirits are playing on her. Including so many others! And Jehovah God recognizes the extent of this deception, and one day she will be enlightened. I’m sure she’ll be shocked at first, but eventually happy i hope to learn the truth.

That shows how little you know about the experiences that @Sgt. Pepper has with spirits. They are not influencing her, she is influencing earthbound spirits to cross over to the spiritual world.

@Sgt. Pepper is already enlightened, because she knows something about the spiritual world, and she knows that is the destination for all of us after we die physically. She also knows that bodies are not going to rise from their graves to live on earth forever.

Were it not for that belief of the JWs that everyone but the few are going to be raised to live on earth forever, I might think they were a true religion, but that one belief completely destroys the religion and makes it false. The other Christians are right about one thing. When we die we will either go to heaven or hell, although they are wrong in believing that heaven and hell are places that we go to. Rather, heaven and hell are states of the souls who are near to God or distant from God.

These spirits know their appointed “time” is coming. —Matthew 8:29; Revelation 12:9,12

The verses you cited have absolutely nothing to do with spirits who know their appointed “time” is coming.

 

[Trailblazer]

I too have spent time in hell, about 6 months of my life which i count as the worst time of my life, to the extent some 14 years later i still occasionally wake screaming from the nightmare it left me with.

Still, better than heaven eh?

I have spent a lot more time than that in hell, in fact most of my life.
Heaven had better be better than this sordid life or I am going to be sorely disappointed, and mad at God for promises He did not keep.

 

[Trailblazer]

Anyway, you won't have a choice. so that's the end to that.

None of us will have a choice, since free will no longer exist after we die.
We will be whoever we were at the time of death, and we will progress from that point forward, by the prayers of others and the grace of God.

 

[Balthazzar]

What are the best and worst things about heaven?
I’ll start. There are a lot more things but these are my top 5.

Best things about heaven:

1. No more cars or traffic.
2. No more houses to take care of.
3. No more physical ailments or physical pain.
4. No more grief when loved ones die.
5. Seeing loved ones again.

Worst things about heaven:

1. There is no way of knowing what it will be like.
2. There is no itinerary.
3. There is no return ticket if we don’t like it.
4. Eternity is a long time.
5. There might be no animals there.

Things I like

Things I don't like

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I am also wondering why you want to know. Why does it bother you that some JWs were converted to evangelical Christianity?

I wondered the same thing but decided not to ask him. I'm not going to argue with him about my past experiences with other JWs. I feel no obligation to convince him otherwise, and I think it's pointless to argue with him. As I previously stated, it makes no difference to me whether he believes me or not.

That shows how little you know about the experiences that @Sgt. Pepper has with spirits. They are not influencing her, she is influencing earthbound spirits to cross over to the spiritual world.

I think the irony of his argument is that I've had several Christians tell me that they believed my mediumship is a gift from God and that I should use it for his glory. When I questioned them what they thought of the verses about speaking with the dead, they said they believed the Bible was written by men rather than divinely inspired by God. I saw this as yet another example of how deeply divided Christians are over the Bible. They simply don't agree on it.

I have shared many of my encounters with earthbound spirits on this forum, but honestly, I've barely scratched the surface of everything I've experienced with them during my lifetime. I have more stories than I could ever share on this forum. My first memorable interaction with a spirit happened when I was six years old, but I have vague memories of interacting with them when I was four and five. Some spirits would wave at me, and I happily waved back at them, prompting my parents or other relatives to ask me who I was waving at. I'm 51 now, so that's more than 45 years of personal interactions with spirits.

Post 1: What is Evidence?

Post 2: A Christian believes --------------------------------?

After undergoing two cranial CT scans and a psychiatric evaluation, as well as being thoroughly evaluted by two therapists and three psychologists, I am more than confident that what I've experienced with these spirits since I was a small child is real. Not to mention that many of my interactions with these spirits were confirmed by others who witnessed them, some of whom I've never met before or have seen again. I have 17 years of experience doing this.

@Sgt. Pepper is already enlightened, because she knows something about the spiritual world, and she knows that is the destination for all of us after we die physically. She also knows that bodies are not going to rise from their graves to live on earth forever.

I've learned a few things about the spirit realm over the years, snippets here and there. I've shared the most recent insight with you.