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What are the chances?

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I wonder why all those people, with all their sincere beliefs, can be so confident that they're right? What are the chances
They're all confident because their mental models of the world - including their gods - are all very robust and provide excellent predictive value: what they observe in the real world aligns closely with what they expect to see based on their ideas of how the world works.

... but as you point out, they all believe in very different gods/pantheons, and some believe in no gods at all. The conclusion that this suggests for me: the differences between all their beliefs - i.e. all of humanity's gods - are irrelevant for predicting what happens in the real world.

What a believer in Ganesha expects the world to be like is almost exactly the same as what a believer in Allah expects the world to be like, and both are almost exactly the same as what someone who believes in no gods/angels/devas/ghosts/kami at all expects the world to be like.

IOW: gods don't matter in any measurable or observable way.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Well, I suggest that to lessen the conundrum, and one is a sincere person, one should quit "no-religion" forthwith and join some good religion following the "Religious Method", please. There is no compulsion, however, it all depends on one's fair approach, if at all, please. Right friend , please?
As for Islam to which I belong, it is going to be the largest Religion, if other things remain the same, as is being predicted in very near future, I understand; and after some centuries it will fast clear this one's "conundrum", please. Right friend, please?

Regards
The Internet may be the " cure" for Islam.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Has it occurred to anyone that,

If Christianity is right, 5,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If Islam is right, 5,500,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If Hinduism is right, 6,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If there is no god, 6,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?

Now, out of honesty, I have to admit that if atheism is right, then it's even worse, because 6,500,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong.

What a conundrum!

I wonder why all those people, with all their sincere beliefs, can be so confident that they're right? What are the chances?

I believe all the major religions are true.
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
The Bible teaches that the entire world of men is in darkness spiritually, being mislead by Satan the Devil. So it is no surprise.

For example Revelation 12:9 states: "Satan..is misleading the entire inhabited earth."

Byington's translation says that Satan is the "misleader of the whole world of men." The American Standard Version translates it as "the deceiver of the whole world."

The apostle John wrote in 1 John 5:19: "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one."

When prophecy speaks of a coming destruction of ungodly people it includes the entire inhabited earth as being the receipts of divine wrath and destruction:

"For by the fire of his zeal the whole earth will be consumed,
Because he will make an extermination, indeed a terrible one, of all the inhabitants of the earth
."-Zephaniah 1:18.

Jesus, when talking of salvation said that the majority of all humankind is on a broad and spacious road leading off into everlasting destruction. But the road, the way, to life is cramped and narrow, and very few people, comparatively, have found it, and are walking on it:

"Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it."-Matthew 7:13-14.

So according to God's inspired word, what is brought out in the OP of the thread is nothing surprising. Even a cursory glance through the scriptures reveals that Satan has blinded the minds of the people so that the glorious good news of the Christ might not shine upon their hearts and they be saved:

"Among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through."-2 Corinthians 4:4.

This spiritual blindness that the majority of humankind is in is referred to as darkness, and death, and blindness in the Bible:

"The One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."-1 Peter 2:9.

"For you were once darkness, but you are now light in connection with the Lord. Go on walking as children of light."-Ephesians 5:8.

"He rescued us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son."-Colossians 1:13.

"God made you alive, though you were dead in your trespasses and sins."-Ephesians 2:1.

"God has given them a spirit of deep sleep, eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear, down to this very day."-Romans 11:8.

"So, then, let us not sleep on as the rest do, but let us stay awake and keep our senses."-1 Thessalonians 5:6.

"God made you alive, though you were dead in your trespasses and sins."-Ephesians 2:1.


The Bible makes it abundantly clear that Satan is the ruler of the world, he has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, misleading the entire inhabited earth, and the vast majority of humankind chose the broad and spacious road that leads to everlasting destruction. The world is asleep spiritually, it is dead in its trespasses and sins. It is blind mentally and spiritually so that it cannot see salvation.

It says that Jehovah sends his witnesses to preach about the truth to all humankind as a witness and a warning. And when the preaching work is complete the end will come, and the entire inhabited earth will be destroyed, all wicked humankind alienated from God, at Armageddon. Jesus said to preach and teach and baptize men, because baptism means their salvation:

(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

(1 Peter 3:21) 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, is also now saving you (not by the removing of the filth of the flesh, but by the request to God for a good conscience), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Has it occurred to anyone that,

If Christianity is right, 5,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If Islam is right, 5,500,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If Hinduism is right, 6,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If there is no god, 6,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
Yes, ca. 1 month ago I realized/mentioned this also when I posted about religions. Is a useful and humbling realization for me

And I also have seen that not all sects and individuals in a (non)faith believe the same; so your numbers are in reality much higher even:D

Now, out of honesty, I have to admit that if atheism is right, then it's even worse, because 6,500,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong.

What a conundrum!

I wonder why all those people, with all their sincere beliefs, can be so confident that they're right? What are the chances?
I see good points in all the (non) faiths. So, none are perfect, all have a part of the puzzle
For me it is not about "who/which is right", but it's about "useful lessons" in each
It's more about my personal evolution, I need not have a perfect (non) faith
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Well, I say they are partially wrong; and they should correct themselves under the "Religious Method" to be right. No big deal, it involves no expense, please. Right friends, please?

Regards
Whether the glass is half full or half empty depends on perspective, of course.
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
Has it occurred to anyone that,

If Christianity is right, 5,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If Islam is right, 5,500,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If Hinduism is right, 6,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If there is no god, 6,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?

Now, out of honesty, I have to admit that if atheism is right, then it's even worse, because 6,500,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong.

What a conundrum!

I wonder why all those people, with all their sincere beliefs, can be so confident that they're right? What are the chances?
This is one of the reasons why I've made some effort to tell people that as an atheist, I began to test the things Jesus said to do, in order to find out whether or not they worked (whether they worked better than other competing ideas/ways to live I tried, which were many and diverse).

That's a way a person could address the situation of not knowing whether God exists, even though it was not my goal at the time. My goal was merely to find and gain any better way to live than the many I'd already tested, for my own benefit, here and now. If it so happened you tested (extensively) some things Jesus said to do (such as how to live), and then found they all worked very well (superior to other ways that are not alike), then you'd be able of course to continue to test more of the things He said, until you were finally testing enough diverse things to begin to find out just how well his understanding and wisdom work, how they turn out to be, in actual results.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...I wonder why all those people, with all their sincere beliefs, can be so confident that they're right? What are the chances?

Right on what?

Bible tells for example that people should love others. Can you tell that is not right? Why it is not right?

I think it is right and I want to live accordingly, because I think it is good.

There are many that are claimed to be gods. But for me there is only one that I would keep as my God, the Bible God. It may be true that all other “gods” exists. It doesn’t matter to me, I wouldn’t keep them as my god anyway.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Has it occurred to anyone that,

If Christianity is right, 5,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If Islam is right, 5,500,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If Hinduism is right, 6,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?
If there is no god, 6,000,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong?

Now, out of honesty, I have to admit that if atheism is right, then it's even worse, because 6,500,000,000 humans on this planet are wrong.

What a conundrum!

I wonder why all those people, with all their sincere beliefs, can be so confident that they're right? What are the chances?
These are not mutually exclusive. For instance Christianity has it's 8 beatitudes and Buddhism has the 8-fold way. May I suggest that there is no perfect or completely wrong religion?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Right on what?

Bible tells for example that people should love others. Can you tell that is not right? Why it is not right?

I think it is right and I want to live accordingly, because I think it is good.

There are many that are claimed to be gods. But for me there is only one that I would keep as my God, the Bible God. It may be true that all other “gods” exists. It doesn’t matter to me, I wouldn’t keep them as my god anyway.
But didn't your Bible God order the slaughter of the Canaanites, including children? Except the virgin females, of course, who were to be kept for (**ahem**) other purposes. Did not the Bible God personally slay the first born (again including children) of all Egypt? Did not the Bible God kill everybody (and all the terrestrial animals) on earth, with the exception of 8 people and a couple (or more) of each species? Would not that include (obviously) children and infants, not yet old enough to have merited such punishment?

Are we not told that because David was naughty with Bathsheba, that the Bible God punished David by letting David's son (not David) die in agony, taking a whole week to do it?

Or do you just ignore those bits when you think about your "loving" God?
 

idea

Question Everything
I suppose the agnostics are right.

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