Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
I worship Existence. Since I know that existence exists, my "God" is a 10. Nothing less.
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What are the Odds there's a God?
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
The universal kind..
1x10^-10%
You are using 10 to the power of -10%
10% equals 0.1
-10% equals -0.1
10^(-0.1) = 0,79..........
Now how did you go from Pi to 3.79?
Well actually, i meant 1x10^-10 = 0.0000000001%, but i see where you came from.
SpiritualBeing
Active Member
idea
Question Everything
100% there is a God
If you go with the multiverse speculation (speculation, not theory… theories are testable) then there are an infinite number of universes with infinite possibilities in which case everything exists (including God) somewhere. I mean, if there are enough different universes for us to exist, then there would be enough for God to exist too.
Or, no multiverse, just ours, in which case evidence points to an intelligent designer. Read the last Discover magazine - I love the line it appears that we are not adapted to the universe; the universe is adapted to us... That would means there is a God.
Science's Alternative to an Intelligent Creator: the Multiverse Theory | Cosmology | DISCOVER Magazine
Science's Alternative to an Intelligent Creator: the Multiverse Theory
Our universe is perfectly tailored for life. That may be the work of God or the result of our universe being one of many.
A....everything here, right down to the photons lighting the scene after an eight-minute jaunt from the sun, bears witness to an extraordinary fact about the universe: Its basic properties are uncannily suited for life. Tweak the laws of physics in just about any way and—in this universe, anyway—life as we know it would not exist.
Consider just two possible changes. Atoms consist of protons, neutrons, and electrons. If those protons were just 0.2 percent more massive than they actually are, they would be unstable and would decay into simpler particles. Atoms wouldn’t exist; neither would we. If gravity were slightly more powerful, the consequences would be nearly as grave. A beefed-up gravitational force would compress stars more tightly, making them smaller, hotter, and denser. Rather than surviving for billions of years, stars would burn through their fuel in a few million years, sputtering out long before life had a chance to evolve. There are many such examples of the universe’s life-friendly properties—so many, in fact, that physicists can’t dismiss them all as mere accidents.
“We have a lot of really, really strange coincidences, and all of these coincidences are such that they make life possible,” Linde says.
Physicists don’t like coincidences. They like even less the notion that life is somehow central to the universe, and yet recent discoveries are forcing them to confront that very idea. Life, it seems, is not an incidental component of the universe, burped up out of a random chemical brew on a lonely planet to endure for a few fleeting ticks of the cosmic clock. In some strange sense, it appears that we are not adapted to the universe; the universe is adapted to us.
Either way you look at it, multiverse or no, God exists.
(of course the easiest way to find out is just to pray. He is alive and well and can talk to you directly you know.)
Also, everyone now agrees that information cannot be destroyed (not even by a black hole, Hawking lost his bet).
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6193-hawking-concedes-black-hole-bet.html
So, what is the difference between eternal information and eternal intelligence? Nothing IMO. Information and intelligence exist and are eternal… God is that eternal intelligence.
If you go with the multiverse speculation (speculation, not theory… theories are testable) then there are an infinite number of universes with infinite possibilities in which case everything exists (including God) somewhere. I mean, if there are enough different universes for us to exist, then there would be enough for God to exist too.
Or, no multiverse, just ours, in which case evidence points to an intelligent designer. Read the last Discover magazine - I love the line it appears that we are not adapted to the universe; the universe is adapted to us... That would means there is a God.
Science's Alternative to an Intelligent Creator: the Multiverse Theory | Cosmology | DISCOVER Magazine
Science's Alternative to an Intelligent Creator: the Multiverse Theory
Our universe is perfectly tailored for life. That may be the work of God or the result of our universe being one of many.
A....everything here, right down to the photons lighting the scene after an eight-minute jaunt from the sun, bears witness to an extraordinary fact about the universe: Its basic properties are uncannily suited for life. Tweak the laws of physics in just about any way and—in this universe, anyway—life as we know it would not exist.
Consider just two possible changes. Atoms consist of protons, neutrons, and electrons. If those protons were just 0.2 percent more massive than they actually are, they would be unstable and would decay into simpler particles. Atoms wouldn’t exist; neither would we. If gravity were slightly more powerful, the consequences would be nearly as grave. A beefed-up gravitational force would compress stars more tightly, making them smaller, hotter, and denser. Rather than surviving for billions of years, stars would burn through their fuel in a few million years, sputtering out long before life had a chance to evolve. There are many such examples of the universe’s life-friendly properties—so many, in fact, that physicists can’t dismiss them all as mere accidents.
“We have a lot of really, really strange coincidences, and all of these coincidences are such that they make life possible,” Linde says.
Physicists don’t like coincidences. They like even less the notion that life is somehow central to the universe, and yet recent discoveries are forcing them to confront that very idea. Life, it seems, is not an incidental component of the universe, burped up out of a random chemical brew on a lonely planet to endure for a few fleeting ticks of the cosmic clock. In some strange sense, it appears that we are not adapted to the universe; the universe is adapted to us.
Either way you look at it, multiverse or no, God exists.
(of course the easiest way to find out is just to pray. He is alive and well and can talk to you directly you know.)
Also, everyone now agrees that information cannot be destroyed (not even by a black hole, Hawking lost his bet).
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6193-hawking-concedes-black-hole-bet.html
So, what is the difference between eternal information and eternal intelligence? Nothing IMO. Information and intelligence exist and are eternal… God is that eternal intelligence.
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
For many many millions of years life decayed as you speak of. Oxidation and reduction reactions on earth kept us at a constant state of change and we as a species have developed and changed to deal with all these. The Ozone layer is an example of why we have a respitory system. Without it, we would have perished because we could not adapt to an abundance of oxygen in the atmosphere. Another example of this is Iron Ore which is often layered. Layers show distinct epochs and eras spanning in some cases 500 million years. Did God do this, of course not. All these changes and processes are a result of mutations and almost insignificant changes. What started it all? If you can work that out without using God you win yourself a nobel prize
However, nothing of what you have said has any relevance to there being a God. Thats scientific information that obviously you do not understand if you copy/pasted the whole thing. What do you personally make of the information you have presented? How, if at all, does this enhance the odds that we were created?
What i see here is an attempt to discredit science in favour of God due to a lack of understanding, not a flaw in understanding. We do not know why proton are the size they are. To be honest, i don't think we know whether protons from all different atoms are the same size due to lack of technology. I think at best an electron microscope can only see an atom, and even then its a bit cloudy.
I stress again, not knowing does not mean God did it
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
I stress again, not knowing does not mean God did it
Yes, I agree. What exists now is just a result of change. Anything that is comprised of energy (everything) naturally changes form. Why would we even need a "God"? Energy does it all already, naturally.
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
OMG wheres the nearest church i have to convert because i just had a revalation
Lets ask your God what he thinks of Neutrons aye???
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
I never said I didn't know. Neutrons act the way they do because they are "animate". Same as all energy. It is that vibrational force that all energy has that is what I consider the "spirit". It is not "supernatural", it is just another form of energy. Energy reacts with energy. It responds to energy. It is a form of action versus reaction. Our own consciousness is no different. We sense or feel something and we react to it. Our humans brains are just capable of more complex forms of the same thing. When it all boils down to it, all energy is energy and will respond and react like energy. We are no different. But that is just my perspective. Believe what you want.
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I was joking.
I thought it was obvious since my name is UnTheist and I describe myself as an Absurdist.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Oh..Sorry about that. I did not realize you were just joking.
Never really heard the term un-theist before. Is it the same as atheist?
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tomspug
Absorbant
The same odds that I would use to describe the possibility that I exist.
SpiritualBeing
Active Member
What a reply tomspug. I would agree with you on that matter. We have obviously been created by some sort of Divine being, for some sort of purpose. Is it not that, if we exist, then some sort of maker must exist also?
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Obvious? Hardly. Wishful thinking on your part. If it was so obvious why do only certain people believe in God?
SpiritualBeing
Active Member
It is all to do with having an 'open mind' if you ask me. Having a mind that is 'open to everything and attached to nothing' is getting more and more needed in todays world. Take me for example. I am only 15 years old, but I am more readily accepting of other religions, cultures and general change in my life and the world around me in comparison to my parents.
I used to be a Zen Buddhist, and I still agree with the views that they had on life. I am now rethinking my religion, to try and choose one that fits myself perfectly. You see, I can adapt to different ways of thinking. It just depends on how willing you are to believe that there is someone governing over your soul, as to whether you believe in God.
I used to be a Zen Buddhist, and I still agree with the views that they had on life. I am now rethinking my religion, to try and choose one that fits myself perfectly. You see, I can adapt to different ways of thinking. It just depends on how willing you are to believe that there is someone governing over your soul, as to whether you believe in God.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
I was very much a converted satanist at 15 years of age. Since then my views have become more and more critical of religion and of God given the mountain of visible evidence that keeps popping up in front of me supporting evolution. You can always say God started evolution is progress, but then again theres no evidence to suggest such a thing. One has to place thir faith on the table to merit rewards, faith i do not have.
I try to be open minded but i do not allow myself to be coasted into believing in things to which no evidence exists. I've been studying scientific subjects for 3 years now, its very hard for me to accept things without concrete or at least reasonable evidence. Lets just say i like to see things with my own eyes
SpiritualBeing
Active Member
Yes, I believe in what you have just said. We should all take our own path through life. You, darkendless, ahev chosen to follow the satanic path through life, and I applaud you for taking that path. I mysle fhave been more drawn to the Zen way of life, but I am still deciding upon which religionm would most suit me.
I do not want to follow the path with the rest of the flock. I believe that we shopuld all look into other religions as much as possible.
I knew a woman, and she was a dvout Christian, but she started to look into the Muslim faith. Now she's a Muslim and follows the Muslim beliefs.
I do not want to follow the path with the rest of the flock. I believe that we shopuld all look into other religions as much as possible.
I knew a woman, and she was a dvout Christian, but she started to look into the Muslim faith. Now she's a Muslim and follows the Muslim beliefs.