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What are you afraid of?
- Thread starter Jimmy
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Why evidence? Its not for me to help me to believe. I think its because I feel a need to convince people, to bring them about to see things that they don't see. I worry about people especially family, yet family never accept evidence. Family are rarely convinced by family. It is the nature of families that our communication styles are formed in such a way that family cannot listen to us. Therefore I must convince the entire world around them until they are swept in and unable to escape from evidence that is coming no longer from me but from every direction. I just need the right....evidence.
an anarchist
Your local loco.
I am afraid of hurting people. People who believe things without evidence can do a lot of damage.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
People can do a lot of damage.
Pete in Panama
Well-Known Member
Why do you feel such a strong urge for the need to believe that I have a strong urge to believe anything?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
U know that I know hahahaha
Audie
Veteran Member
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Cute
Audie
Veteran Member
No, it's far from cute.
Do you trust me? Why not?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's not an urge. It's just plain reasonable, intelligent, and practical.
As pointed out, the title is wrong. And I doubt so many have a strong urge for evidence, just a need for proper evidence - that is, that won't fall into the many categories of being false evidence. Given that so many do have unreasonable beliefs based on what they perceive as being good evidence when this will likely not be so. Just look at some of your own beliefs, question them, and then decide if any of these could be based on false rather than good evidence. The first to discard so often are those based upon personal experiences, given that our minds so often trick or deceive us, or simply because we lack any suitable knowledge so as to make informed decisions and have appropriate beliefs.
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Because it's more accurate than guessing. I feel more secure with evidenced knowledge than guesswork, rumours and wishful thinking
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Convince them of what though? With evidence for what?
If there’s one thing I have learned from my brief visits to this forum, it’s that if an individual has closed their mind against all spiritual principles and against all possibility of the existence of God, there is nothing at all you can say to open their hearts or minds. It seems only an act of divine providence can do that for them.
If I told you that you would not wake up tomorrow, would you believe me?
If not, what are you afraid of?
Blindly believing anything in the absence of evidence is foolhardy at best.
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I don't if you use the standard version of evidence.
Why do you need to believe that you are special for how to be a human?
What would you expect though, when science hasn't sufficient evidence apparently (given the general view of science towards such things) and where so many of us have no such experiences that might push us on to any such path or simply because we just don't feel a need or desire to follow such paths - often knowing the risks involved in believing things without sufficient evidence.
One could point to many individuals here just like you might as to your comments.
I appreciate what you have learned about how people often aren't open to words and can see what you mean, however I frankly think your post demonstrates disrespect. There is a passage in scripture about the Lord hardening Pharoah's heart. The Pharoah under normal circumstances would have been much more pliant, so it would be reckless to blame him for closing his own mind. He could have been a reasonable person, but his understanding was closed at the time when he needed it the most to be opened. We are all under the same limitations as Pharoah. We have a heart, too. Imagine that Moses is horrifying us with plagues and soft speech and his frightening visits, and our hearts are being hardened while our kingdoms are being ruined. We want to agree, and we want to let the Israelites go but for some damned reason we can't think about it. Its all so that the Lord can have a great name, and sometimes we are the losers and sometimes the winners.
The ability to listen depends on the person. Some people have different talents and different luck. For some a simple conversation is like getting beaten up with a stick, and for others its not felt at all. There are also different times of life when the gates of understanding open and close. The principle of conversion remain the same: 1. be a righteous person -- not just a talking head. 2. endure judgment and be patient 3. don't be judgy 4. don't give up 5. understand that you are flawed, and people will see your flaws. Open up instead of hiding.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
What would you expect though, when science hasn't sufficient evidence apparently (given the general view of science towards such things) and where so many of us have no such experiences that might push us on to any such path or simply because we just don't feel a need or desire to follow such paths - often knowing the risks involved in believing things without sufficient evidence.
One could point to many individuals here just like you might as to your comments.
Well, you can't do all of this without beliefs:
So I do the spiritual and God as a naturalist´, but I still do them. I just don't claim that it is objective, know the limits as it is subjective and accept that the spirituality of a reductive physicalist is to claim that minds are not real and I don't have one.