HonestJoe
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Thanks. Do you have an answer, because it's likely to be the same as the answer to your OP question?
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Alien826
No religious beliefs
It depends how important it is to know something.
Example 1. I'm standing in a field and I am surrounded by hidden land mines. I'm not taking a single step without quite a lot of information about where they are.
Example 2. I don't know what the weather will be today, but I have no plans to leave the house. Knowing the weather forecast, though interesting, doesn't matter to me.
The same principles apply to my beliefs.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Those are both objective in a sense though. What about morality and evidence? How does that work?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
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I am just explaining physicalism to you. That it doesn't say the mind is not real.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Evidence that the mind is real.
Yes, I know there is no evidence, but none the less. Is that a fact or a norm?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, I would still like evidence to whether the mind is real or if there is no evidence for that?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Cogito, ergo sum.
Which one should I take advantage of then - given the choice might hinder me somewhat?Actually, one might argue that it's only hard because we don't take advantage of those extra ones.
No, and that is why we shouldn't indoctrinate them with religious beliefs until they are old enough to resist such temptations.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
It depends on whether morality is considered to be objective or subjective. My personal view is that it's subjective, but I'll cover both. I'm assuming that the objective is to determine what a particular moral rule is, not what I would then do.
Objective: It should be possible to determine what a particular moral rule is in that case. It should then be subject to objective evidence.
Subjective: I would consult my own feelings on the matter.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, that is not really true in fact other than in a sort of weird way. If you remove the mind, it says something is going, therefore something is going. That is true, but vacuous.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
"If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike"
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Can you expand on that with another example? I think is something is going on. So is I exist as something is going on. The problem is that the "I" is taken for granted, but that is not certain.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
The "I" is certain. Try to show it is not. Try.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, it is a narrative. It is not a fact. It is according to science a result of how brains work. It is an illusion that works if believed in.
You don't need an "I" to have life and as far as we can tell that is a cultural phenomenon.
There is no "I" over time. You are not the same as ten years ago. You are a story of a brain, that uses "I". So am I.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
If who believes in it? I?
I don't need an "I" to have a life?
Irrelevant.
Irrelevant.
You who? I?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, I am am "I", because I say so. If you can that evidence, then fine with me. I do it differently.
That is of course the challenging question. Whichever one resonates with you the most at the time. But better something than nothing, ultimately speaking that is. Nothing can be the right choice as well, for a time.Which one should I take advantage of then - given the choice might hinder me somewhat?
I look at religious indoctrination the same as cultural indoctrination, as religion is part of one's culture. Programming children with culture is just something that happens, and trying to separate religion from culture is really no so simple. It can't really be compartmentalized like that, as it is part of one's whole identity and worldview. It's not easy, if even possible to separate it that way, when it comes to childrearing. Do you believe it can?No, and that is why we shouldn't indoctrinate them with religious beliefs until they are old enough to resist such temptations.