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What came before the Big Bang?
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Bullet-proof, case-hardened crap, LOL!
With a nut inside!....LOL!
godnotgod
Thou art That
Can you shoot a bullet and hit the target of emptiness? Emptiness has no doctrine for you to grab hold of, so where can you find fault with it? And yet, it contains Everything, even you.
'No holiness is clear, like space'
Bodhidharma
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
Some super old dude constructed the big bang?
godnotgod
Thou art That
In order for something to be 'first', Time and Space must first exist. So are you saying that Time and Space existed before God?
Are you afraid of Emptiness, Thief?
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
godnotgod
Thou art That
You're arbitrarily stating that as an absolute, but for you to say 'first' there must exist a concept of 'not-first'. Therefore, 'not-first' is what defines 'first', and if it defines it, then it must have existed simultaneously when God became 'first'. In addition, by saying that God is 'first', you are actually saying that God came into existence; that God did not previously exist before he was 'first'.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Nay...that Someone had to be First is not arbitrary.
Indeed!...Someone had to be.
And I smell hypocrisy!
You entitle yourself to.... not born...not dead....
denying the same to Something Greater!
Thief
Rogue Theologian
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godnotgod
Thou art That
You're making things up again, Thief. Why does someone have to be first, and why must there even be a 'someone' in the first place? Of course, you will just sidestep this question, or play mind games again.
Excuse me? Where do you see that I denied that to anyone or anything? Stop making things up!
Thief
Rogue Theologian
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godnotgod
Thou art That
You're not thinking correctly. You are speaking from your indoctrination. There was no time or space when the BB occurred, so there cannot have been a first or last.
If you had been paying attention to theology, you would have known that the very notion of God is that It is has no beginning or end. Jesus, speaking as the divine nature itself, says:
http://biblehub.com/revelation/22-12.htmI am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Revelation 22:13
meaning there is no first or last. The divine nature is both beginingless and endless. That is why it can be called 'eternal'.
You are trying to apply conventional wisdom to the divine nature, and it fails.
Which is why I don't see why you insist "someone" had to be first. Some speaking thinking consciousness before the big bang is implausible. Consciousness evolving into existence makes more sense than some dude, just existing, and creating the singularity.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Some of what you quote is correct.
If you review your postings in this thread.....you will see you use whatever quote you care to....to your convenience.
At this point I doubt you believe in anything.
You just quote.
As for God....was, is and shall always be....
He was there at the beginning....as Creator.
Spirit first.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
The simple scheme of regression.....Someone had to be first.
and I place spirit before substance.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
The singularity.
For the singularity to be truly singular a secondary point cannot be allowed.
At the same instant a secondary forms.....so too infinity.
(between any two points are an infinite number of points.)
God first....as Creator.
Saying 'first' says there must be a beginning. There doesn't have to be.