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What came before the Big Bang?
- Thread starter yoda89
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Some thing existed once existence was an option. Did god choose to exist or god simply exists? Without god choosing to exist there is no reason to think he willed anything, once god exists that means existence is real at that point, i.e. substance.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Looks to me as the proclaimation...I AM!...to be an affirmative.
The formation of substance.....as proof.
OK, decent opinion.
Formation kinda works. There isn't any sort of ex nihilo though. Spirit is a substance or it is non-existent.
edit: Unseen is another matter, unseen doesn't mean intangible.
hey Thief,
Don't you think that your given thought process is somewhat circular ?
From where did your creator come, to create all that wasn't there yet ?
Don't make any sense, from one infinity to another, somewhat circular I must say. At what "point" was your creator, outside of the singularity.
Baffling at best, confusing at worst.
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'mud
Don't you think that your given thought process is somewhat circular ?
From where did your creator come, to create all that wasn't there yet ?
Don't make any sense, from one infinity to another, somewhat circular I must say. At what "point" was your creator, outside of the singularity.
Baffling at best, confusing at worst.
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'mud
godnotgod
Thou art That
The quotes happen to MEAN something, Thief.
That must be true because you were there, witnessing the whole shebang in your very own little head. Blankee, please!
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Thief
Rogue Theologian
The creation moves in circles.
The 'point' is the focus....yes indeed.
As soon as a secondary formed infinity came with it.
Movement from that also formed....
Outward in all directions....with a spin upon it.
I say it is the spin that proves God did it.
Without the pinch and snap of His fingers....the expansion would be no more that a hollow sphere of energy ever larger moment by moment.
It's the rotation and spin that makes the universe (one word) as we know it.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Thief
Rogue Theologian
So then....the universe 'is'.....and God 'is' the Cause.....?
godnotgod
Thou art That
Your MIND is moving in circles!
Those are some BIG mother jumping fingers! One day, God is going to put the finger on you, buddy, then *SNAP* *CRACKLE* *POP*, and: "Where were YOU on the night of the Big Bang? It'll all be over in the snap of a finger, or in the sound of one hand clapping.
You know? To have a *snap*, you've got to have an atmosphere for sound to travel in. There was no such atmosphere, was there? Was there, Thief? You're just making things up in that child head of yours again, aren't you, creating God in the images your mind concocts. Wheeeeee!
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Whatever caused itself which would have to be just existence, existing, being.
"To be is to be perceived" but no sense organs are necessary, cause and effect is all that is needed.
godnotgod
Thou art That
godnotgod
Thou art That
Thief
Rogue Theologian
You can throw away ALL experimentation as you separate cause and effect.
NOW you can say you know nothing!
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Hence that primordial proclamation....'I AM!'....
I think just existing would be cause for something. Could be just static but thats hard to conceptualize something being (adj) without being(verb).
I dont take the "word" in the beginning quite that literal.