When theif uses it its a reference to christ being the word as a personal god. Thats how I understand it from him but he can correct me if I am off on that. I can understand it like tao but not with consciousness.
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What came before the Big Bang?
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When theif uses it its a reference to christ being the word as a personal god. Thats how I understand it from him but he can correct me if I am off on that. I can understand it like tao but not with consciousness.
I agree. Where can one find the source of all awareness, if not within one's own "I am"?
If the aware Being was outside oneself, then dogs would have eaten that long back.
Think of an organism which is alive and aware with no self awareness. It wouldnt have the capacity to remember moment to moment.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Thief
Rogue Theologian
However, this portion I do not agree. ( I don't believe Jesus was there)
The declaration.... I AM!.....IS self awareness.
The creation of light would be the affirmation.
Still.....hearing it from someone else would be even better.
Knowing your self as Creator is one thing....and your creation (echo) is fine and good.
But If you are the First in mind and heart.....you become aware of being alone.
When I was younger the congregation would say Man was created to glorify God.
Not too far from the truth....it seems to me.
Christ is something different from jesus, christ is the word. I am right that you feel that statement means god has ego.
godnotgod
Thou art That
The earliest mention of 'I Am' comes from Exodus 3.13-15:
"I Am that I Am"
...being the response from God when Moses asked him his name.
I don't see it in Genesis, used as a proclamation of the creation of light, as you claim.
Why imagine at all?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Well....at some 'point'......God.....
would realize there is a difference between Him'self' and everything around Him.
That outstanding difference would be 'response'.
As Creator He would be able to 'touch' His creation.....and it would respond.
BUT His creation would not really...'respond'.
As a life without physical form.....He would be the Spirit.
His creation taking form would be the universe.
For awhile.....He would be alone.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
'.....and they that understand will know Whose Word this is.' (in the same locale as your quote)
I understand.
Because true awareness has little to do with being self aware and conscious.
How do you know that?
I cant know that cause knowing requires consciousness and intelligence. Besides that if I am a single celled organism(which some parts of our body can be seen as), I wouldn't likely know I am aware. The brain produces all those other tricks that awareness is capable of.
How do you know that?
But you know that true awareness has little to do with being self aware and conscious?
Yes because of organisms being aware without having ego or conciousness like us humans. The very basic building blocks are beyond ego and consiousness as well which I believe is omnipresent with only the potential for omniscience and a knowledge type of intelligence.
Ok. Your definition of consciousness is different from mine. For me awareness is indication of consciousness.
Consciousness is a human construct requiring an 'I'. I know things, I remember things, I am awake. It takes remembering and recalling in a continuous stream of awareness to say I am conscious.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Self-awareness, as opposed to just awareness.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Your logic does not follow. You are saying there is a self, or "I" that is aware, but you are not answering the question: 'What exactly is this "I" itself?