What came before the Big Bang?

[godnotgod]

Poor selection.
The first and the last we humans can use....
The last item belongs to God.

...and yet, you insist you go on after 'death', meaning you don't really die.

So YOU, then, are God?

 

[Thief]

...and yet, you insist you go on after 'death', meaning you don't really die.

So YOU, then, are God?

Just one of his creations.

 

[godnotgod]

Just one of his creations.

I see. So now we're back to 'just poor li'l 'ol me', eh?

Except that 'poor li'l 'ol me' claims he dies, but does not die; who goes on after death. That is immortality, a characteristic of the nature of God. If that is true, you, then are God. If you were NOT God, you would just die dead and that would be the end of it.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Redshift: isn't that some sort of mind-expanding psychedelic?

If it was, it would be a drug of "universal" proportions.

 

[Thief]

I see. So now we're back to 'just poor li'l 'ol me', eh?

Except that 'poor li'l 'ol me' claims he dies, but does not die; who goes on after death. That is immortality, a characteristic of the nature of God. If that is true, you, then are God. If you were NOT God, you would just die dead and that would be the end of it.

I recognize myself as a creation....an assembly.
As such I can be dismantled.
So can you.

You seem to want it that way.

 

[godnotgod]

I recognize myself as a creation....an assembly.
As such I can be dismantled.
So can you.

You seem to want it that way.

If that is what you think, you've got it all...all...wrong!

We are not artifacts or mechanisms; we are not 'made', but grown. This is the error of both the theists and the atheists, because neither of you understand your own nature. It's so sad, especially when these positions are presented without batting an eyelash. It's like black and white TV trying to tell us what color TV is like, but even that is such a poor analogy.

I am afraid, Thief, that you are locked into the Third Level of Conscious Awareness, that of Identification, and you don't know it.
Go back to sleep, now....

 

[Thief]

If that is what you think, you've got it all...all...wrong!

We are not artifacts or mechanisms; we are not 'made', but grown. This is the error of both the theists and the atheists, because neither of you understand your own nature. It's so sad, especially when these positions are presented without batting an eyelash. It's like black and white TV trying to tell us what color TV is like, but even that is such a poor analogy.

I am afraid, Thief, that you are locked into the Third Level of Conscious Awareness, that of Identification, and you don't know it.
Go back to sleep, now....

We are assembled....made of dust.
You can use the word...grown (or groan) if it makes you feel better.

As for 'black and white'...some discussions are that way.
OH! but there's that duality you don't like!
but you keep using it as a crutch.

 

[godnotgod]

We are assembled....made of dust.
You can use the word...grown (or groan) if it makes you feel better.

As for 'black and white'...some discussions are that way.
OH! but there's that duality you don't like!
but you keep using it as a crutch.

You still don't understand.

Black and white are one, not two.

You still cling to form, thinking it is reality. Form is empty of substance. It is shape-shifting. Like a cloud, it comes and goes. That is the nature of illusion; that it is impermanent. What I am trying to say is that the real 'you' is not an assembled form from dust or anything else. That is not who you are. That is merely temporal form, and it does not go on after 'death', which is not termination, but transformation. The real 'You', the authentic Self, is your consciousness, which was there before your form, and will be there after your form returns to the formless state.

Form is emptiness;
emptiness is form.

The universe grows humans, just as an orange tree grows oranges. You did not come into this world; you came out of it. Oranges are organic, just as humans are. Both are grown, not assembled or made or manufactured.

 

[Thief]

You still don't understand.

Black and white are one, not two.

You still cling to form, thinking it is reality. Form is empty of substance. It is shape-shifting. Like a cloud, it comes and goes. That is the nature of illusion; that it is impermanent. What I am trying to say is that the real 'you' is not an assembled form from dust or anything else. That is not who you are. That is merely temporal form, and it does not go on after 'death', which is not termination, but transformation. The real 'You', the authentic Self, is your consciousness, which was there before your form, and will be there after your form returns to the formless state.

Form is emptiness;
emptiness is form.



The universe grows humans, just as an orange tree grows oranges. You did not come into this world; you came out of it. Oranges are organic, just as humans are. Both are grown, not assembled or made or manufactured.

So then all of your posts are ...gray.
And without form....back to the void you go.

now really.....THAT would be something to look forward to?
and your existence now has no meaning.

And we are assemblies.
Your resistance to that simple notion explains a lot about your postings.

 

[godnotgod]

So then all of your posts are ...gray.
And without form....back to the void you go.

now really.....THAT would be something to look forward to?
and your existence now has no meaning.

And we are assemblies.
Your resistance to that simple notion explains a lot about your postings.

You are none other than the void itself temporarily manifesting as the form called 'Thief'. You came out of the void, and will return to it. You are not just the wave, but the ocean itself.

Belief clings;
Faith lets go.

Let go so you can be, rather than merely exist.

 

[Thief]

You are none other than the void itself temporarily manifesting as the form called 'Thief'. You came out of the void, and will return to it. You are not just the wave, but the ocean itself.

Belief clings;
Faith lets go.

Let go so you can be, rather than merely exist.

Void....no form.
And you say to me I have a 'form'.

White man speak with forked tongue!...(old tv Indian saying)

 

[godnotgod]

Void....no form.
And you say to me I have a 'form'.

Were it not for the formless Void, you would have no form. The form in the following image cannot exist without the formless background against which it is seen:

 

[Thief]

Were it not for the formless Void, you would have no form. The form in the following image cannot exist without the formless background against which it is seen:

Actually...God has no form....He is spirit.

But you could say.....'let there be light' is synonymous to 'I AM!'

 

[idav]

Actually...God has no form....He is spirit.

Then everything is spirit and form is meaningless.

 

[Thief]

Then everything is spirit and form is meaningless.

Indeed!...'and what is Man that God is mindful of him?'

 

[outhouse]

Actually...God has no form....He is spirit.

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I love how you try to define something you don't sound like you know anything about.


No sources for that I bet?

 

[godnotgod]

I love how you try to define something you don't sound like you know anything about.


No sources for that I bet?

heh...heh...God (or The Universe) IS the source, and since you are God pretending to be Outhouse the Atheist, you too are the source. well, maybe not YOU you, but what's inside beyond the you that you think is you.

Most of us fail to see it, however, because we're all of two left feet and in the way.

 

[godnotgod]

Actually...God has no form....He is spirit.

But you could say.....'let there be light' is synonymous to 'I AM!'

You're still talking 'existence', ie; 'manifestation', whereas the 'I Am' is what is behind the manifestation. It is before 'let there be light'; it is the Void...Absolute Nothingness, and out of it came Everything.


'I Am' is not existence, but Being: Unborn, Ungrown, Non-Dual, Deathless, Silent, Tasteless, Odorless, Formless, Invisible, and then again, none of these.

the negation of negation.

neti neti

not this; not that

form is emptiness;
emptiness is form.

 

[Thief]

You're still talking 'existence', ie; 'manifestation', whereas the 'I Am' is what is behind the manifestation. It is before 'let there be light'; it is the Void...Absolute Nothingness, and out of it came Everything.


'I Am' is not existence, but Being: Unborn, Ungrown, Non-Dual, Deathless, Silent, Tasteless, Odorless, Formless, Invisible, and then again, none of these.

the negation of negation.

neti neti

not this; not that

form is emptiness;
emptiness is form.

Note my signature.....

 

[Thief]

heh...heh...God (or The Universe) IS the source, and since you are God pretending to be Outhouse the Atheist, you too are the source. well, maybe not YOU you, but what's inside beyond the you that you think is you.

Most of us fail to see it, however, because we're all of two left feet and in the way.

I have a knack for dancing.
I really do.

I don't have two left feet.