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I like how it is assumed that one can learn science in a couple of posts when it took me years of study to learn what I have.
Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
It doesn't inspire me when a person is so adamant and confident in their position rejecting science and then have to start citing dictionary definitions of the basics as if making some valid point of significance. I expect those joining scientific discussions to have some basic knowledge of science. I don't think that is an unreasonable expectation. It would be like me joining a discussion of Belarussian history with the attitude that I know something and the facts that I do not.
You are correct, I can go sit in a car garage the rest of my life and that will never make me a car!
Nope, they are still wrong. Actually scientific evidence is easy to define.
But one can hopefully get across the basics of how to see if an idea is scientific or not and whether it is supported, even if one cannot fully understand the science behind it.
I would hope but experience tells me that hope is often misplaced.
It does put a lot of burden on the those with the technical knowledge and understanding to try and get their point across. Another fact that I think distracts from the authority that opposing views to science seem to cultivate without basis.
All that you have said here is only a claim of Christianity. I have no way to know if your claims are true. That another Christian accepts science may be evidence that their opinion is not consistent with a certain interpretation, but it is not evidence that they are not Christian. I'm pretty sure that is a prevailing belief here among some Christians, but it is not a fact.
Yes, creationists will still automatically reject quite a bit of evidence unjustly. I try to point out that they only need to know two things to see if it is scientific evidence or not. Does the observation support the claim. And that one should almost always ben an automatic yes. Second, and I admit that this may take some work on their part, is the idea in the form of a testable theory or hypothesis. If the answer is yes to both even if they do not like it, it is evidence for an idea.
It is interesting to note that there is no reasonable, rational effort that would get you to transform into a car ever. That isn't true of Christianity.
So guys, Here we are, I believe at an im-passe! no answer I give, is satisfying to you, and I would say the same about your arguments!
I have different interpretations of that. But I accept your resignation from the field.
So rejecting what you have said regarding science is the same as rejecting God? Really. Wow!
That seems like a good set of criteria to clear the fog. Of course, that assumes one is dealing with a person grounded in rational thinking I would say.
I've changed my mind on issues based on the evidence. It seems a reasonable way to operate in the world. I realize that I still believe things on faith, but I don't make subliminal threats as parting shots or claim that rejection of my ideas is a rejection of God.
I'll try this one more time....(maybe). Rejecting God's word which is what defines, who he is, who we are and why we need a Savior is Rejecting God. If you have time, read the whole chapter, just the 1st chapter of Romans, and you see there is quite a bit more than just saying God exists......When one truly comes to that, it is literally just the first step to believing , as defined by God,.......not me, not you, not anyone else......but God!
I get it. You have an interpretation that everything in the Bible is a true and accurate recounting of events that all happened and that anyone that rejects that interpretation or even a part of it is rejecting you and by default rejecting God.
I would read the Bible sometimes before I became a Christian but did not understand it at all. Later, though, as I kept reading the Bible, I realize that Jesus spoke of sheep and goats. He spoke of a good shepherd. I began to change my thinking and my life.
I remember when I was there. Being in this world, naturally there are signs and teachings everywhere about religion and beliefs, true or not. I was in church many times, mostly for professional reasons as a musician. Yes, I loved the music and enjoyed both the rehearsals with a wonderful choir and organist and conductor. All of us were professionals. In other words, got paid for our time and expertise. One of the songs that I remember now was "Dies Irae" by Verdi. A fabulous piece. God's Day of Wrath. But it kind of scared me, not knowing what it meant but it sounded threatening...no one explained anything to me until later.