What created God?

[Fatihah]

According to Fatihah; I made this thread so the other wouldn't get off topic. He brought this up and I'd like to discuss it with him.

Response: Fatihah never said such a statement, nor can you quote otherwise. As you were.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Response: Fatihah never said such a statement, nor can you quote otherwise. As you were.

YOU'RE JOKING....

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

This is about as shallow as pond scum and no more compelling.

That's the point...

 

[logician]

That god created energy. I actually know one theist who believes that God was the energy that started everything.

Again, a god existing forever is the exteme example against ID, where something superintelligent did not thave an intelligent designer. It makes much more sense for matter and energy to have existed forever, and no need for a creator, thus doing awaywith the "first cause" problem.:run:

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

The proof of there being a God, or deity, or whatever name a person uses to identify the supreme being responsible for the creation of the universe, life itself, and all that exists to begin with, is based on one simple fact. That being, that it takes intelligence to create intelligence. So when we speak of how the creation of humans came to be, it had to originate from someone of intelligence, because humans are intelligent beings. Simple. What other proof does an atheist need? If an atheist rejects the idea that someone or something of intelligence created the universe, then you are saying that unintelligence created intelligence, which makes no sense. Unintelligence can not create intelligence because by definition, it's not intelligent. Whatever caused the universe to be had to come from intelligence, if the creation is intelligent.

Go ahead Fatihah, tell me you didn't say this, again... Denial doesn't work when actual evidence can be produced. Just answer the question or admit you were wrong.

 

[AxisMundi]

If all things that possess intelligence must be created by intelligence, what intelligence created God?

Human beings.

 

[Eliot Wild]

If all things that possess intelligence must be created by intelligence, what intelligence created God?

I created God.

I used a hammer, some 1/2 inch finishing nails, Waterproof glue, sandpaper, 1/4 inch plywood and some wood stainer . . .

Oh, wait a second . . . Sorry, actually that was a birdhouse that I created and hung up in my backyard. Nevermind.

 

[AxisMundi]

Again, a god existing forever is the exteme example against ID, where something superintelligent did not thave an intelligent designer. It makes much more sense for matter and energy to have existed forever, and no need for a creator, thus doing awaywith the "first cause" problem.:run:

Quite agreed.

The idea that the universe has always been and always will be, a cyclic renewel of Big Crunches and Big Bangs throughout eternity, makes much more sence than some demiruge popping up out of nothing to create everything.

 

[fallingblood]

Again, a god existing forever is the exteme example against ID, where something superintelligent did not thave an intelligent designer. It makes much more sense for matter and energy to have existed forever, and no need for a creator, thus doing awaywith the "first cause" problem.:run:

Yes, one thing existing forever is much more logical than something else existing forever.

Does a god have to be super intelligent? Not at all.

 

[logician]

1.Yes, one thing existing forever is much more logical than something else existing forever.

2.Does a god have to be super intelligent? Not at all.

1. Quite correct, one can only imagine how horrible it would be for ANYTHING intelligent to be ALONE for eternity.

2. Right, stupid gods are great to have around.

 

[McBell]

YOU'RE JOKING....

Afraid not.
Seriously, he is completely serious.

Of course he is also extremely well versed in telling bold faced lies as well.

 

[McBell]

2. Right, stupid gods are great to have around.

Well, you gotta admit though, it would explain quite a lot...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If all things that possess intelligence must be created by intelligence, what intelligence created God?

This is the first cause argument, since the intelligence that created god, must also have been created ad infinitum.

This is about as shallow as pond scum and no more compelling.

That's the point...

I was referring to your thought process (or what parades as such).

 

[The_Evelyonian]

I was referring to your thought process (or what parades as such).

It isn't his thought process. This thread was created to answer an implication made by another poster. The "intelligence from intelligence" argument does not come from I.S.L.A.M617, but someone else.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It isn't his thought process. This thread was created to answer an implication made by another poster.

The rhetorical drivel is no less vapid. It essentially reduces to ...

If all natural {X} is caused then something caused God, or else God would have to be deemed preternatural.​

Well duh ...

 

[Octavia156]

What created God?

The answer is: No Thing




A full and conscise understanding of how exactly SOMETHING came from NOTHING can be attained through the study of the Hermetic Qabala.

 

[McBell]

This is about as shallow as pond scum and no more compelling.

Yet so many theists believe it to be completely fool proof proof of God.

I will leave the jokes about intelligence to others who may be better qualified.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

The rhetorical drivel is no less vapid. It essentially reduces to ...

If all natural {X} is caused then something caused God, or else God would have to be deemed preternatural.
​

Well duh ...

We all know that... Again, this thread was made for Fatihah's benefit. If you can see how obviously stupid it is, there's no need for you to post here.

 

[Falvlun]

The rhetorical drivel is no less vapid. It essentially reduces to ...

If all natural {X} is caused then something caused God, or else God would have to be deemed preternatural.
​

Well duh ...

But the argument wasn't that all things "natural" require a creator, it was that intelligence requires an intelligence to create it.

Now, in regards to the argument that you wrote, the problem is that I don't believe that the "supernatural" could ever really exist. Anything that exists would be a part of nature. The supernatural is merely the bits of nature that we don't understand or don't know about yet. Thus, if God exists, and he does not require a creator, then that means the statement "all things that are natural require a creator" is not a true statement, since there would be an exception, namely, God.

 

[Falvlun]

We all know that... Again, this thread was made for Fatihah's benefit. If you can see how obviously stupid it is, there's no need for you to post here.

That's not his point. He's saying that you guys are stupid for not understanding the argument, ie, that the rule does not apply to God, since he's not considered to be a part of nature.