What created God?

[I.S.L.A.M617]

That's not his point. He's saying that you guys are stupid for not understanding the argument, ie, that the rule does not apply to God, since he's not considered to be a part of nature.

Poor, small-minded humanity. Going to such lengths to justify a belief in something that will never be proven to exist... Everyone that doesn't agree with Jayhawker is "stupid", he never stops to think that there might be something wrong with his own reasoning.

 

[Falvlun]

Poor, small-minded humanity. Going to such lengths to justify a belief in something that will never be proven to exist... Everyone that doesn't agree with Jayhawker is "stupid", he never stops to think that there might be something wrong with his own reasoning.

Well, I did liberally paraphrase... Shouldn't ascribe the "stupid" remark to Jay, at least not yet.

 

[S-word]

If all things that possess intelligence must be created by intelligence, what intelligence created God?

The eternal process of evolution created intelligence from which the Most High God in the creation has evolved and continues to evolve.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Well, I did liberally paraphrase... Shouldn't ascribe the "stupid" remark to Jay, at least not yet.

Don't worry, he woud have said it himself if you didn't. He's almost as bad as Fatihah. Only difference is Jay doesn't deny saying things that are clearly written down.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

The eternal process of evolution created intelligence from which the Most High God in the creation has evolved and continues to evolve.

Can you clarify this please? I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[S-word]

Can you clarify this please? I have no idea what you're talking about.

In the beginning was the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity that was torn asunder, or spatially separated by the Big Bang. And form the Quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the billions of degrees, everything that has ever existed, everything that now exists, and everything that will every exist, came/comes into being.

The quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the billions of degrees, are invisible waves that have zero mass and no electric charge, and yet carry angular and linear momentum, this is the "Logos," which is the divine animating principle that pervades and animates all that has existed, all that now exists, and all that will ever exist. The logos are the universal life force to which all the information taken in through all the living bodies that it has evolved into is gathered.

The Great Cosmic Gathering force, by gathering those invisible waves together, created the first subatomic particles, which, when gathered together created the first atoms, from which the first molecules were created, which molecules were gathered to create this galaxy in which our solar system was created in which solar system on the earth that was created from the quantum of the electromagnetic energy, the first organic molecules evolved from which all life on earth has evolved.

Of all the life forms that have evolved on earth, Mankind is the latest in the evolution of the singularity of origin, and mankind is the most High in the creation, Lord of creatures and the prototype of the Lord of Spirits, who is the spirit that is currently developing within the body of mankind, which will be born into the invisible fourth dimension that co-exists within this three dimensional visible world (For the kingdom of God is within you) as the "Son Of Man," the Most High in the creation who is the Alpha from which all things come into existence, and the Omega, in which and for which, all things that come into existence, exist.

And He, the Omega in whom all exist and who the Alpha becomes, exists within the singularity of origin, before space and time came into existence. This then is the evolution of God, who existed before Mother Space and Father Time, were separated from the eternal embrace from which this three dimensional world is born.

I am the First and the Last
The Beginning and the End
The Alpha and the Omega
The Father and the Son.

 

[fallingblood]

2. Right, stupid gods are great to have around.

As Mestemia stated, it would explain many things.

I'm a theist, yet I do not see a god who's hand is in everything. It is just as possible that some god created the necessary building blocks to get everything started and just let it go at that. That, or god could be the energy that was, according to you, always existent.

 

[McBell]

As Mestemia stated, it would explain many things.

I'm a theist, yet I do not see a god who's hand is in everything. It is just as possible that some god created the necessary building blocks to get everything started and just let it go at that. That, or god could be the energy that was, according to you, always existent.

It could be that God is not all powerful or all knowing.

The Bible makes much more sense when read without the onmi-glasses.

 

[McBell]

In the beginning was the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity that was torn asunder, or spatially separated by the Big Bang. And form the Quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the billions of degrees, everything that has ever existed, everything that now exists, and everything that will every exist, came/comes into being.

The quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the billions of degrees, are invisible waves that have zero mass and no electric charge, and yet carry angular and linear momentum, this is the "Logos," which is the divine animating principle that pervades and animates all that has existed, all that now exists, and all that will ever exist. The logos are the universal life force to which all the information taken in through all the living bodies that it has evolved into is gathered.

The Great Cosmic Gathering force, by gathering those invisible waves together, created the first subatomic particles, which, when gathered together created the first atoms, from which the first molecules were created, which molecules were gathered to create this galaxy in which our solar system was created in which solar system on the earth that was created from the quantum of the electromagnetic energy, the first organic molecules evolved from which all life on earth has evolved.

Of all the life forms that have evolved on earth, Mankind is the latest in the evolution of the singularity of origin, and mankind is the most High in the creation, Lord of creatures and the prototype of the Lord of Spirits, who is the spirit that is currently developing within the body of mankind, which will be born into the invisible fourth dimension that co-exists within this three dimensional visible world (For the kingdom of God is within you) as the "Son Of Man," the Most High in the creation who is the Alpha from which all things come into existence, and the Omega, in which and for which, all things that come into existence, exist.

And He, the Omega in whom all exist and who the Alpha becomes, exists within the singularity of origin, before space and time came into existence. This then is the evolution of God, who existed before Mother Space and Father Time, were separated from the eternal embrace from which this three dimensional world is born.

I am the First and the Last
The Beginning and the End
The Alpha and the Omega
The Father and the Son.

Source Please.

 

[fallingblood]

It could be that God is not all powerful or all knowing.

The Bible makes much more sense when read without the onmi-glasses.

I completely agree.

 

[logician]

If all things that possess intelligence must be created by intelligence, what intelligence created God?

Again, "god" is a generic term, you need to define the god concept, there are thousands.

 

[S-word]

Source Please.

My source is, the Indwelling and evolving spirit in man, who, through the scribes, who were in tune with Him, recorded his words in the 366 books of which books, the author is "Enoch, the only exception of all mankind from the previous world to have ascended into the eighth eternal generation of the universe, where he was stripped of his earthly garment and anointed with the sweet smelling ointment of God, which shone with the brilliance of the Sun, when He was translated from a physical being into an angelic being of glorious light, to whom, all the spirits of good people who had fallen asleep in righteousness were gathered in His ascension to the ends of Time, which is the Beginning, where, "The Son of Man," who is held accountable of all the sins committed by the physical body in which he develops, now dwells.

To equate the man Enoch, who was the first man to be gathered to the etenal evolving Logos, and who was reborn on the earth as the man Jesus, with the glorious simulacrum, or blueprint of the new species on earth that evolves from mankind, which glorious Simulacrum of brilliant and blinding light, is being formed in the eighth heaven, would be equivalent to equating 'Who You Are,' with the first human ancestor that slithered out of the slime of the primeval toxic waters of the earth.

 

[zenzero]

Friend ISLAM,

If all things that possess intelligence must be created by intelligence, what intelligence created God?

Human Intelligence!

Love & rgds

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Again, "god" is a generic term, you need to define the god concept, there are thousands.

Allah.

 

[Falvlun]

Again, "god" is a generic term, you need to define the god concept, there are thousands.

I don't think a definition for god is necessarily needed here. The argument that was presented as evidence for god's existence was that intelligence existed, and intelligence could only be created by other intelligence. It doesn't describe what that intelligence is like, just that it is an intelligence.

 

[McBell]

My source is, the Indwelling and evolving spirit in man, who, through the scribes, who were in tune with Him, recorded his words in the 366 books of which books, the author is "Enoch, the only exception of all mankind from the previous world to have ascended into the eighth eternal generation of the universe, where he was stripped of his earthly garment and anointed with the sweet smelling ointment of God, which shone with the brilliance of the Sun, when He was translated from a physical being into an angelic being of glorious light, to whom, all the spirits of good people who had fallen asleep in righteousness were gathered in His ascension to the ends of Time, which is the Beginning, where, "The Son of Man," who is held accountable of all the sins committed by the physical body in which he develops, now dwells.

To equate the man Enoch, who was the first man to be gathered to the etenal evolving Logos, and who was reborn on the earth as the man Jesus, with the glorious simulacrum, or blueprint of the new species on earth that evolves from mankind, which glorious Simulacrum of brilliant and blinding light, is being formed in the eighth heaven, would be equivalent to equating 'Who You Are,' with the first human ancestor that slithered out of the slime of the primeval toxic waters of the earth.

Thank you.

 

[McBell]

Again, "god" is a generic term, you need to define the god concept, there are thousands.

Why?

I mean why does "god" need to be defined?

The definition of "god" will not change the the answer to the question.

 

[S-word]

I don't think a definition for god is necessarily needed here. The argument that was presented as evidence for god's existence was that intelligence existed, and intelligence could only be created by other intelligence. It doesn't describe what that intelligence is like, just that it is an intelligence.

The best model of the universe, in which intelligence has evolved is the Big Bang theory, add to that the theory of an eternal cyclic Univeses and I believe that you have have a definitation of God as good as you are ever likely to get.

In the beginning was the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity that was torn asunder, or spatially separated by the Big Bang. And form the Quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the billions of degrees, everything that has ever existed, everything that now exists, and everything that will every exist, came/comes into being.

The quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the billions of degrees, are invisible waves that have zero mass and no electric charge, and yet carry angular and linear momentum, this is the "Logos," which is the divine animating principle that pervades and animates all that has existed, all that now exists, and all that will ever exist. The logos are the universal life force to which all the information taken in through all the living bodies that it has evolved into, is gathered.

The Great Cosmic Gathering force, by gathering those invisible waves together, created the first subatomic particles, which, when gathered together created the first atoms, from which the first molecules were created, which molecules were gathered to create this galaxy in which our solar system was created, in which solar system on the earth that was created from the quantum of the electromagnetic energy, the first organic molecules evolved from which all life on earth has evolved.

Of all the life forms that have evolved on earth, Mankind is the latest in the evolution of the singularity of origin, and mankind is the most High in the creation, Lord of creatures and the prototype of the Lord of Spirits, and unless you are so naive as to believe that mankind is the end of the evolutionary process, the spirit that is currently developing within the body of mankind, will be born into the invisible fourth dimension that co-exists within this three dimensional visible world (For the kingdom of God is within you) as the "Son Of Man," the Most High in the creation who is the Alpha from which all things come into existence, and the Omega, in which and for which, all things come/came into existence.

And He, the Omega in whom all exist and who the Alpha becomes, exists within the singularity of origin, before space and time came into existence. This then is the evolution of God, who existed before Mother Space and Father Time, were separated from the eternal embrace from which this three dimensional world is born. And it is He, the Omega of each universal cycle, who in the beginning says,"Let there be Light," as he witnesses the resurrection of the universal body in which he had developed as the ultimate Godhead.

I am the First and the Last
The Beginning and the End
The Alpha and the Omega
The Father and the Son.

 

[Falvlun]

S-Word, I don't feel the need to label a natural phenomenon as "God", or apply mystical connotations to the Big Bang and the resulting effects.

 

[McBell]

The best model of the universe, in which intelligence has evolved is the Big Bang theory, add to that the theory of an eternal cyclic Univeses and I believe that you have have a definitation of God as good as you are ever likely to get.

In the beginning was the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity that was torn asunder, or spatially separated by the Big Bang. And form the Quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the billions of degrees, everything that has ever existed, everything that now exists, and everything that will every exist, came/comes into being.

The quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the billions of degrees, are invisible waves that have zero mass and no electric charge, and yet carry angular and linear momentum, this is the "Logos," which is the divine animating principle that pervades and animates all that has existed, all that now exists, and all that will ever exist. The logos are the universal life force to which all the information taken in through all the living bodies that it has evolved into, is gathered.

The Great Cosmic Gathering force, by gathering those invisible waves together, created the first subatomic particles, which, when gathered together created the first atoms, from which the first molecules were created, which molecules were gathered to create this galaxy in which our solar system was created, in which solar system on the earth that was created from the quantum of the electromagnetic energy, the first organic molecules evolved from which all life on earth has evolved.

Of all the life forms that have evolved on earth, Mankind is the latest in the evolution of the singularity of origin, and mankind is the most High in the creation, Lord of creatures and the prototype of the Lord of Spirits, and unless you are so naive as to believe that mankind is the end of the evolutionary process, the spirit that is currently developing within the body of mankind, will be born into the invisible fourth dimension that co-exists within this three dimensional visible world (For the kingdom of God is within you) as the "Son Of Man," the Most High in the creation who is the Alpha from which all things come into existence, and the Omega, in which and for which, all things come/came into existence.

And He, the Omega in whom all exist and who the Alpha becomes, exists within the singularity of origin, before space and time came into existence. This then is the evolution of God, who existed before Mother Space and Father Time, were separated from the eternal embrace from which this three dimensional world is born. And it is He, the Omega of each universal cycle, who in the beginning says,"Let there be Light," as he witnesses the resurrection of the universal body in which he had developed as the ultimate Godhead.

I am the First and the Last
The Beginning and the End
The Alpha and the Omega
The Father and the Son.

Any particular reason why you posted this twice in the same thread?