What created God?

[Sunstone]

God was created by the Acme Industrial Corporation, Deity Division. Motto: "Premium gods at budget prices!"

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I.S.L.A.M.617 says that all languages are proper nouns. (Post 255 of page 26 of the "Fatihah, show me proof of islam" thread.) Need any more proof of your complete inability to comprehend simple english?

For the last time all languages ARE proper nouns, you're supposed to capitalize the "e" in English; you're the only one saying you aren't. Now stop the childish games and just answer the question. If you don't know the answer, just say you don't know. Nobody's going to think any less of you.

 

[nrg]

God was created by the Acme Industrial Corporation, Deity Division. Motto: "Premium gods at budget prices!"

Yeah, budget prizes all right. A god who really is omnipotent just couldn't have messed up this bad. If he really tried to tell the entire world about his existance through holy messages to prophets and what not, he did a really lousy job considering that his message was so vague that there are thousands of religions.

 

[McBell]

I said English is a proper noun. You just demonstrated that you have no idea what a pronoun is... Pronouns (he, she, it) aren't capitalized, PROPER NOUNS (George Bush, English, America)are capitalized. Don't try to correct me on my simple english... You're supposed to learn these things in the 2nd grade.

You still said the exact same thing in different words. Just because I didn't quote you word for word doesn't mean you didn't say intelligence has to create intelligence. Stop playing your stupid games and just answer the question, make a real argument for once.

You assume he is playing at stupid....

 

[McBell]

Ya reckon, do you? But that of course is only relevant to yourself isnt it? And to negative knockers like yourself, nothing related to religion is worth reading, is it?

Interesting how you are so quick to take offense.
I did not say it was bad.
I said it does not get better by retelling it over and over.

Mighty touchy, aren't we?

 

[S-word]

Interesting how you are so quick to take offense.
I did not say it was bad.
I said it does not get better by retelling it over and over.

Mighty touchy, aren't we?

Original quote by S-word; Ya reckon, do you? But that of course is only relevant to yourself isnt it? And to negative knockers like yourself, nothing related to religion is worth reading, is it?

Not at all sonny, not at all. The response you received, was from one who is cool and collected, confindent in the fact that what he had said was correct according to the data that is so far available. Knockers do not upset me. Insults and sarcasm, may get a harsh response, but not negative knockers.

 

[McBell]

Original quote by S-word; Ya reckon, do you? But that of course is only relevant to yourself isnt it? And to negative knockers like yourself, nothing related to religion is worth reading, is it?

Not at all sonny, not at all. The response you received, was from one who is cool and collected, confindent in the fact that what he had said was correct according to the data that is so far available. Knockers do not upset me. Insults and sarcasm, may get a harsh response, but not negative knockers.

I was not referring to your ad hominem.
I was talking about your assumption.

 

[Tristesse]

If all things that possess intelligence must be created by intelligence, what intelligence created God?

Humans.

 

[Falvlun]

I.S.L.A.M.617 says that all languages are proper nouns. (Post 255 of page 26 of the "Fatihah, show me proof of islam" thread.) Need any more proof of your complete inability to comprehend simple english?

You apparently missed my post #71. I gave a link and everything.

Response: Once again, I never stated such logic, nor can you quote otherwise.

Quote from Fatihah: "
The proof of there being a God, or deity, or whatever name a person uses to identify the supreme being responsible for the creation of the universe, life itself, and all that exists to begin with, is based on one simple fact. That being, that it takes intelligence to create intelligence. So when we speak of how the creation of humans came to be, it had to originate from someone of intelligence, because humans are intelligent beings. Simple. What other proof does an atheist need? If an atheist rejects the idea that someone or something of intelligence created the universe, then you are saying that unintelligence created intelligence, which makes no sense. Unintelligence can not create intelligence because by definition, it's not intelligent. Whatever caused the universe to be had to come from intelligence, if the creation is intelligent."

You flat out stated that intelligence is required for intelligence to be created. Could you explain what you actually meant, if it truly isn't "intelligence is required for the creation of intelligence"?

 

[Mister Emu]

The proposition that intelligence is required for the creation of intelligence does not necessarily imply that all intelligence must be created.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

The proposition that intelligence is required for the creation of intelligence does not necessarily imply that all intelligence must be created.

Yes it does; the proposition speaks for itself. There is no other way to interpret that. If you say there was an original intelligence that came from nowhere, you are going against what you just proposed; that means intelligence is not required to create intelligence. This also leaves the option open that it is possible for the universe to have always existed without creation, and that there is no need to believe in a creator. You can't argue both sides.

 

[Mr Cheese]

If all things that possess intelligence must be created by intelligence, what intelligence created God?

the Giant Guppie...

duh!

 

[Mister Emu]

Yes it does; the proposition speaks for itself. There is no other way to interpret that.

Not it does not. An eternal intelligence is not created and therefore not under the proposition.

If one says, "All chickens that are born must hatch from an egg", it does not deny the possibility of a created chicken which was not born, and therefore did not need to hatch from an egg.

This also leaves the option open that it is possible for the universe to have always existed without creation, and that there is no need to believe in a creator.

A Man's belief is generally not limited to one proposition...

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

So if an eternal intelligence is possible, why can't the universe have always existed without a creator? What is the logic that leads you to believe that the universe had to be created?

 

[McBell]

The proposition that intelligence is required for the creation of intelligence does not necessarily imply that all intelligence must be created.

Yes it does.
The first part: intelligence is required for the creation of intelligence
flat out states that intelligence is required.

 

[McBell]

If one says, "All chickens that are born must hatch from an egg", it does not deny the possibility of a created chicken which was not born, and therefore did not need to hatch from an egg.

Here you move the goal posts.

to properly fit into your original statement the above statement must be: All chickens must hatch from an egg.


You either added the conditional modifier to your second statement or you forgot your conditional modifier from your first.

Here they are together for your convenience:

intelligence is required for the creation of intelligence
All chickens that are born must hatch from an egg​

 

[McBell]

So if an eternal intelligence is possible, why can't the universe have always existed without a creator? What is the logic that leads you to believe that the universe had to be created?

I am most interested in the answer to this myself.

 

[fallingblood]

So if an eternal intelligence is possible, why can't the universe have always existed without a creator? What is the logic that leads you to believe that the universe had to be created?

There is no actual logic that leads to an eternal intelligence. If one is honest with themselves, they should admit that it is simply based on faith.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

If all things that possess intelligence must be created by intelligence, what intelligence created God?

Maybe god's an idiot. This would explain a lot.

 

[sniper762]

its apparent that the traditional religious belief is simply that god POOFED into existense.

logically the question of "where did it all come from" has no definate answer.

like numbers, it is infinite and indefinate.