What Day was Jesus Crucified?

[smokydot]

Exodus 12:6 It shall be yours for examination until the fourteenth day of this month; the entire congregation of the assembly of Israel shall slaughter it in the afternoon.
Ok. Simple. The lamb is slaughtered on the 14th in the afternoon.

The text says evening (KJV), or twilight (the many other translations).

The text does not say "afternoon."

The lamb was slaughtered and roased on the evening of Nissan 14, Passover, and was eaten the night of Passover, Nisan 14.

Ex 12:8 They shall eat the flesh on that night - roasted over fire - and unleavened bread; with bitter herbs shall they eat it.
When it is the 14th, and then the sun sets, it becomes the 15th. The Passover meal... the feast of unleavened bread... is eaten on the 15th.
Why in the hell did anybody start talking about the 13th? Exodus is crystal clear.

But your translation of Exodus is incorrect, causing you to incorrectly locate the Passover meal on the 15th.
The Passover meal was on Passover, Nisan 14.

 

[fallingblood]

What settles it is
SCRIPTURE - THE WORD OF GOD.
No man or worldly church has authority over God and Christ !!!

And yet, all of you who are speaking with the Scripture can't even agree. That is why there are a multitude of Christian denominations. That is why there are debates about what scripture says. If it's the word of God, we have no idea what it says.

 

[fallingblood]

Where?

Maybe if you took the time to read my posts, and understand them, instead of copying and pasting the same tired arguments of yours, you wouldn't have to ask this question.

 

[waitasec]

I am answering as a parent who is a judge. . .to insure the comparison of my behavior to God's is more fairly comparable.

no you're either a parent or a judge.

I will not address a charge against God by comparing him to myself in an unfair way.

nor did i ask you to...i asked you coming from a parents perspective (of which you have none, it seems)

But didn't I say my definition of freedom is that of the NT?

which is to be subjected...under restraint, dependent.
not being able to determining one's own course of action

i guess you don't believe in freedom. interesting.

Did you miss the believers "are NOT morally superior there"?
I think you misunderstood what I meant. . .let me try again.
It is not moral superiority that causes God to look on believers as righteous, for they are not. It is because they are in Christ that God accounts them as righteous.

of course i'm not going to understand you if you have a completely different understanding of the basic principles of what being moral is.

what moral act can a believer do that a non believer cannot?
none. right? so what's the point here? REALLY. it is to gain gods favor by striving to be like him while casting your individuality aside.

i'll tell you what a non believer can do that a believer cannot.
they can be good for the sake of being good. not for the sake of gaining god's favor.
now that seems like an noble dignified way of approaching life, what do you think?

 

[fallingblood]

The text says evening (KJV), or twilight (the many other translations).

The text does not say "afternoon."

The lamb was slaughtered and roased on the evening of Nissan 14, Passover, and was eaten the night of Passover, Nisan 14.
But your translation of Exodus is incorrect, causing you to incorrectly locate the Passover meal on the 15th.
The Passover meal was on Passover, Nisan 14.

Because KJV is authoritative, even though it is based on faulty translations. And you obviously have read all of the translations. More so, I'm sure you know the Hebrew.

I like how you can say his translation of Exodus is wrong, even though you don't know which version he is using.

 

[Aopllo]

"As we can see then, the synoptics and John disagree on the day in which Jesus is crucified."

And about this obscure fact related in this myth I should be concerned because . . . ?:sleep:

BTW, what day was Athena popped out of Zeus's head? You worried about that? If not, why not?

 

[smokydot]

Maybe if you took the time to read my posts, and understand them, instead of copying and pasting the same tired arguments of yours, you wouldn't have to ask this question.

I don't do cutting and pasting.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

"As we can see then, the synoptics and John disagree on the day in which Jesus is crucified."

And about this obscure fact related in this myth I should be concerned because . . . ?:sleep:

Because you commented....

Really though.....those that don't care to debate this particular subject don't comment....right....???


OH...!!! Welcome to RF..

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I don't do cutting and pasting.

He meant cutting and pasting of (your own) previous posts...Basically, you're repeating yourself....

 

[smokydot]

Because KJV is authoritative, even though it is based on faulty translations. And you obviously have read all of the translations. More so, I'm sure you know the Hebrew.

I like how you can say his translation of Exodus is wrong, even though you don't know which version he is using.

I know it doesn't agree with the myriad of translations out here, which all use "twilight" instead of "afternoon."
Check out Ex 12:6 in your own Bible.

And I know that the testimony of the Church since its beginning is that the Passover meal was eaten the night of Nisan 14, and Jesus was crucified the day of Nisan 14.

Why were you so confidently expounding on something you knew so little about?
Why were you so certain you were right about "the Day of Preparation for Passover" being Nisan 13, and those who disagreed with you were so wrong?
Why did you assume you understood the NT with no knowledge of the OT out of which it flowed?
Why did you not reckon with the abbreviated nomenclature used in the NT, which is not the nomenclature given in the OT for Nisan 14-21?
That was amateurish, ignorant and misinformed.
If you were honest, you would admit that.

And smokydot is right about the dates of Passover (Nisan 14) and the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15-21).
The translation Poisonshady313 is using is in disagreement with the myriad of translations out here, causing Poisonshady313 to reckon the wrong date for the Passover meal.
Check out Ex 12:6 in your own Bible.

 

[smokydot]

He meant cutting and pasting of (your own) previous posts...Basically, you're repeating yourself....

I don't cut and paste anything, but I do repeat the few points which refute the same errors repeated over and over.

 

[smokydot]

no you're either a parent or a judge.
nor did i ask you to...i asked you coming from a parents perspective (of which you have none, it seems)

That's rather open ended. . .I don't do open ended.
Why would you ask such a question of someone?

which is to be subjected...under restraint, dependent.
not being able to determining one's own course of action
i guess you don't believe in freedom. interesting.

I was never so free as I am as a bondslave to Jesus Christ.

of course i'm not going to understand you if you have a completely different understanding of the basic principles of what being moral is.

My "morality" is based in the Word of God written.

what moral act can a believer do that a non believer cannot?
none. right? so what's the point here? REALLY. it is to gain gods favor by striving to be like him while casting your individuality aside.

I don't have to strive to gain God's favor. I already have it. . .because of my faith in Jesus Christ who atoned for my sin and made me right with God
who looks on me with favor because I am in Jesus Christ.

i'll tell you what a non believer can do that a believer cannot.
they can be good for the sake of being good. not for the sake of gaining god's favor.
now that seems like an noble dignified way of approaching life, what do you think?

I don't have to do anything for the sake of gaining God's favor. . .I already have it because of my faith in Jesus Christ who atoned for my sin and made me right with God.

 

[smokydot]

What settles it is
SCRIPTURE - THE WORD OF GOD.
No man or worldly church has authority over God and Christ !!!

Agreed!

But we're trying to settle a disagreement on the meaning of the Word of God relating to events 2,000 years ago, so the testimony from a source during that time is valuable.

 

[waitasec]

That's rather open ended. . .I don't do open ended.
Why would you ask such a question of someone?
I was never so free as I am as a bondslave to Jesus Christ.
My "morality" is based in the Word of God written.
I don't have to strive to gain God's favor. I already have it. . .because of my faith in Jesus Christ who atoned for my sin and made me right with God
who looks on me with favor because I am in Jesus Christ.
I don't have to do anything for the sake of gaining God's favor. . .I already have it because of my faith in Jesus Christ who atoned for my sin and made me right with God.

whatever floats your boat, humble servant of god
just as long as your religious beliefs stay clear from peoples inalienable rights.

 

[smokydot]

whatever floats your boat, humble servant of god
just as long as your religious beliefs stay clear from peoples inalienable rights.

Where did that come from? . .and why wouldn't they?

The Constitution guarantees our rights.

 

[Aopllo]

Because you commented....

Really though.....those that don't care to debate this particular subject don't comment....right....???

I was raising the larger question of WHY this issue was/is important. Seems like a relevant question to ask. And in that regard pointed to another myth with a similar event.

All to ask:

Does the proposition/question being advanced merit attention and if so why?

 

[smokydot]

I was raising the larger question of WHY this issue was/is important. Seems like a relevant question to ask. And in that regard pointed to another myth with a similar event.

All to ask:

Does the proposition/question being advanced merit attention and if so why?

This topic is the specific purpose of this thread.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

*kicks dead horse*

 

[smokydot]

And yet, all of you who are speaking with the Scripture can't even agree. That is why there are a multitude of Christian denominations. That is why there are debates about what scripture says. If it's the word of God, we have no idea what it says.

Speak for yourself here.

 

[fallingblood]

I was raising the larger question of WHY this issue was/is important. Seems like a relevant question to ask. And in that regard pointed to another myth with a similar event.

All to ask:

Does the proposition/question being advanced merit attention and if so why?

Because this isn't a myth. If you want to subscribe the the Christ-Myth, that's fine. However, you should prove it first. There are various threads on just that subject, and since the general consensus is that Jesus did indeed exist, I feel no reason to prove that here.