What did Assange do wrong?

[Shadow Wolf]

Similarly Edward Snowden is a wanted criminal here even though many people (myself included) appreciate what he has done. We cannot make it legal to pass top secret documents out.

And that's what makes what he done so valuable and a worthy sacrifice. It was very illegal what he did, but very wrong what he found. It's possible others saw it and kept quiet. He stood up for what was right despite the very heavy consequences. I consider him a martyr in the fight against abusive states. He confirmed what so many of us suspected amd know Russia is one of his best options to live in.
Or, it's why we like Robinhood.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Because it's a basic principle of democracy that information in the public interest should be known by the public.

When civil rights protestors would be arrested, it wasn't arrested for standing up for civil rights. Such as, women who were arrested for voting, their crime wasn't standing up for democracy but rather the fact it was literally illegal for them to vote.
Legalities and personal opinions are two different things.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Disclosing penally relevant document is not a crime.

Yes, it is, I have told you before you can't assume how your country does things is how they all do things. Italy, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure England and Germany wouldn't be thrilled if someone had classified state documents and mass distributed them.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, it is, I have told you before you can't assume how your country does things is how they all do things. Italy, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure England and Germany wouldn't be thrilled if someone had classified state documents and mass distributed them.

I heard of an attorney here whose client confessed a murder to him.
The attorney renounced the mandate and immediately hired a private investigator that wiretapped the building of this murderer and even took some documents.
Thanks to this material they could arrest this murderer.

Anything is admissible if you intend to expose a crime.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Maybe he broke US law while not being in the US. That's only criminal in the mind of an US imperialist.

Rather it seems to me there are many who are struggling to separate norms and ethics from the law. He violated US law, and there is no getting around this. Agreeing with that fact is not an endorsement of agreeing with the law nor vocalizing and condemnation of the law. It's just the facts of the situation to answer the OP.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Anything is admissible if you intend to expose a crime.

Surely as a jurist you know not anything is admissible and there are laws and rights regarding what can and cannot be admissible.

 

[Estro Felino]

Surely as a jurist you know not anything is admissible and there are laws and rights regarding what can and cannot be admissible.

Anything is literally admissible.
It is called cases state of necessity and force majeure.

I can record a police office without his consent and then use this recording against him in court.
If he confesses he killed a suspect deliberately, for example
Anything is admissible.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Anything is literally admissible.

Things discovered during an illegal search and seizure are not admissible. If it is evidence that is found to be faulty it cannot be admissible. This is why mobsters can be difficult to legally take down, because there are rules and regulations regarding things that are admissible as evidence.

 

[Estro Felino]

Things discovered during an illegal search and seizure are not admissible. If it is evidence that is found to be faulty it cannot be admissible. This is why mobsters can be difficult to legally take down, because there are rules and regulations regarding things that are admissible as evidence.

Here if the crime exposed is much more serious than the unauthorized search, it is admissible.
Example, murder is much more serious than the unauthorized search.

 

[Estro Felino]

Surely as a jurist you know not anything is admissible and there are laws and rights regarding what can and cannot be admissible.

If we manage to get Assange here in Italy...we will never give him to Americans.
Not even in a parallel universe.
He is under the protection of the legislation about the political refugee persecuted because of freedom of thought.
Which is much stronger than the US freedom of speech.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If we manage to get Assange here in Italy...we will never give him to Americans.
Not even in a parallel universe.
He is under the protection of the legislation about the political refugee persecuted because of freedom of thought.
Which is much stronger than the US freedom of speech.

All you asked is what he did. However, we did find many here have a hard time keeping personal feelings, morality, and law separate when examining such an issue from a legal point of view. That angle does not give one damn about standing up for what is right, imperialism, who started it, oppressive states or other things mentioned in this thread.

 

[Yerda]

When civil rights protestors would be arrested, it wasn't arrested for standing up for civil rights. Such as, women who were arrested for voting, their crime wasn't standing up for democracy but rather the fact it was literally illegal for them to vote.
Legalities and personal opinions are two different things.

Isn't freedom of the press to publish in the public interest a big deal in US?

 

[Estro Felino]

@Revoltingest
One question: the way the US handled the Assange case makes the 99% of Italians believe that all those rumors and conspiracy theories about the FBI and the CIA are true. All of them
Give me one single reason why we should believe they are false.
Thank you in advance.

 

[Revoltingest]

@Revoltingest
One question: the way the US handled the Assange case makes the 99% of Italians believe that all those rumors and conspiracy theories about the FBI and the CIA are true. All of them
Give me one single reason why we should believe they are false.
Thank you in advance.

I'm not familiar enuf with Italian rumors & conspiracy theories to comment on them.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm not familiar enuf with Italian rumors & conspiracy theories to comment on them.

Since they are all conspiracy theories and the CIA is the saint, immaculate, sinless, angelic agency par excellence,
the US will pardon Assange, and will send him to Italy where he will get the status of political refugee.

If they don't, it means that all the rumors about the CIA are true, that is they are just delinquents serving other delinquents.
Choose...dear Americans.

 

[Revoltingest]

Since they are all conspiracy theories and the CIA is the saint, immaculate, sinless, angelic agency par excellence,
the US will pardon Assange, and will send him to Italy where he will get the status of political refugee.

If they don't, it means that all the rumors about the CIA are true, that is they are just delinquents serving other delinquents.
Choose...dear Americans.

You're making only vague claims.
Nothing for me to address.

 

[Estro Felino]

You're making only vague claims.
Nothing for me to address.

I didn't make these claims.

CIA officials under Trump discussed assassinating Julian Assange – report

Mike Pompeo and officials requested ‘options’ for killing Assange following WikiLeaks’ publication of CIA hacking tools, report says

www.theguardian.com

 

[Revoltingest]

I didn't make these claims.

CIA officials under Trump discussed assassinating Julian Assange – report

Mike Pompeo and officials requested ‘options’ for killing Assange following WikiLeaks’ publication of CIA hacking tools, report says

www.theguardian.com

You didn't post that to me before.
So how could I have responded to it earlier.
It's not at all clear just what you want to discuss.

 

[Revoltingest]

My proposal is: you give us Assange and we will fight in Ukraine against Russians.

I'm in no position to give him to you.
Besides, I don't trust Italians...if the winds
change, they might kill Ukrainians instead.

 

[Stevicus]

@Revoltingest
One question: the way the US handled the Assange case makes the 99% of Italians believe that all those rumors and conspiracy theories about the FBI and the CIA are true. All of them
Give me one single reason why we should believe they are false.
Thank you in advance.

I think a lot of rumors and conspiracy theories about the FBI, CIA, NSA, and other such agencies stem from perceptions that they are super-secretive and that their motives are not related to genuine matters of national security (which is generally reflected in US policies which are known to the public).

In other words, if a politician or other official states a motive which can not be justified by a legitimate national security need, then that's generally a clue that something foul is afoot.

To point out an obvious example, anyone who could read a map and discern the distance between Vietnam and the United States could easily tell that any tales about a communist insurgency in that far-away country threatening US national security were fabricated nonsense. When the government is caught in a blatant lie like that, then it creates a palpable atmosphere of distrust between the government and the people.