Spartan
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Sure, Christ-deniers believe all kinds of nonsense like that.
But the Talmud is not scripture.
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What Did Jesus Actually Do?
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Sure, Christ-deniers believe all kinds of nonsense like that.
But the Talmud is not scripture.
Nope, fact
Any good fiction will contain some factual information, in the case of the bible any historically accurate writing is incidental, i.e, towns that existed, some ancillary names that have verified 3rd party evidence to show they existed. There is no historical validation for either of the 2 main characters, the two your FAITH is based on
If there were historical evidence then you would have no need for faith
Enjoy your semantics
Yet the Talmud which is a highly valued Jewish work does say that JCs dad was not god.
'tiz ok, im done
Do you realise how obnoxious this makes you sound? Christianity my-way-or-the-highway is pushing more and more people away because its adherents are essentially just throwing **** at other faiths and then complain when they feel victimised. Perhaps instead of just coming across like, 'OH NO NO TALMUD! TALMUD IS JEWISH NONSENSE WAA' maybe you could actually explain why? Maybe you could also demonstrate some familiarity with the Talmud before you start ranting about it, but I doubt you can because if you did you wouldn't be spouting rubbish like this.
Spartan
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God's Word in the the Tanakh pushed people away. There have always been what God described in the Torah as the "stiff-necked" people. They are alive today and continuing to kick God's Word and Jesus the Messiah to the curb.
And if you need a primer on how sophomoric the Talmud can be, just go ahead and supply the historical evidence that backs up Jesus' father being a Roman soldier? Don't just cite the claim again, but provide solid evidence that the claim is true.
Spartan
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Flush. No foundation. Just more sophomoric claims.
Spartan
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Who are you talking about? Jesus, and Paul? Or who?
I didn't cite anything. The Talmud only seems sophomoric to you because you've never studied it.
I didn't say the text pushed people away, it's your hostile attitude to any religion not Christiaity.
The only foundation is FACT
God and jesus
Spartan
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Bull. I have two degrees in Biblical theology and I have studied it. That's how I knew there was no credible, back-up evidence for that "Roman father of Jesus" claim.
And by the way, there's numerous contradictions in the Talmud.
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Spartan
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Well let me help you out with the Jesus part of that. Recommended reading for you:
"The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas;
“The Historical Jesus of the Gospels,” by Dr. Craig Keener
"New Evidence that Demands a Verdict," by former skeptic Josh McDowell;
"Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," by Dr. Norman Geisler;
"The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and
"The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by Dr. Gary Habermas.
“Miracles – The Credibility of the New Testament Accounts,” by Craig S. Keener
“The Case for Miracles,” by Lee Strobel
In a Christian setting, not a Jewish one.
I am not being judgemental, you are coming across in a way that is offputting to others by being obtuse and putting down others' religions. You could have just said 'Sorry, I don't believe in the Talmud, but it's OK if you believe certain portions of it that claim a Roman soldier was Jesus' father', but you didn't, you came off as passive agrressive.
Yes you have given those books before and i have countered with opposing books
Spartan
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Not impressed.
Yes i have the same contempt for your fictional books that i have previously refuted and cannot be bothered repeating myself just because you cannot be bothered to actually check your sources
Spartan
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I'll challenge you on your "fictional" books (New Testament) claim. You throw around the word fictional as if you have some solid examples to back up your rhetoric.
So, show me your BEST ONE EXAMPLE (1 - JUST ONE) of a fictitious person, place, or event in the GOSPELS. Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and make your argument (provide your evidence why it's fictional).
Let's see that bad boy.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
As per usual, you're going by what you think the scriptures say. However, what you think and what is are possibly two different things.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Both historic branches of Xy assert that the HS comes from the Father. They disagree with regard to Jesus' part in it.
Correction: you believe that. You can't "know" it because you have no evidence of that.
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