What Did Jesus Actually Do?

[Spartan]

I have already been here and showed that at least 2 of the authors you quote do not consider evidence,do not have evidence to consider and work using much confirmation bias. Unlike some i am not in the habit of repeating myself because you cannot be bothered with my posts. No doubt because they challenge your confirmation bias.

I made a specific challenge to you, which you ran from. With all your books, etc., are you unable to show me your BEST ONE EXAMPLE (1 - JUST ONE) of a fictitious person, place, or event in the GOSPELS? You say they're fiction. Why can't you back up your rhetoric? Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and make your argument (provide your evidence why it's fictional).

 

[Spartan]

Jesus wasn’t talking about how we view truth. Please stop torturing the texts.

He said he is the Truth.

 

[ChristineM]

I made a specific challenge to you, which you ran from. With all your books, etc., are you unable to show me your BEST ONE EXAMPLE (1 - JUST ONE) of a fictitious person, place, or event in the GOSPELS? You say they're fiction. Why can't you back up your rhetoric? Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and make your argument (provide your evidence why it's fictional).

How could i run just because i am not wasting my time repeating what i have already done when you challenged me previously.

I HAVE ALREADY SHOWN YOU 4 TITLES AND 2 LINKS REFUTING YOUR AUTHORS.

Oh look we can all write in bold characters.

I HAVE BACKED IT UP, BUT I WON'T PLAY YOUR DELIBERATELY IGNORANT GAMES

 

[Rival]

I made a specific challenge to you, which you ran from. With all your books, etc., are you unable to show me your BEST ONE EXAMPLE (1 - JUST ONE) of a fictitious person, place, or event in the GOSPELS? You say they're fiction. Why can't you back up your rhetoric? Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and make your argument (provide your evidence why it's fictional).

Queen Elizabeth walked around Windsor Castle, obviously in a foul mood, telling her husband, Prince Phillip, that she had a mouth ulcer and felt generally unwell. She was taken to London Royal Infirmary where she was given some antibiotics, bonjela and a heatable cushion to sleep with. Her son, Prince Charles, was there, and he said he had hurried because he was concerned. He explained covertly to Phillip that he thought Brexit was stressing her somewhat and the PM at the time, Theresa May, wasn't helping - and the upcoming race to Number 10 wouldn't help matters.

^^ All real people, all real places, real events, completely fictional.

 

[Spartan]

How could i run just because i am not wasting my time repeating what i have already done when you challenged me previously.

I HAVE ALREADY SHOWN YOU 4 TITLES AND 2 LINKS REFUTING YOUR AUTHORS.

Oh look we can all write in bold characters.

I HAVE BACKED IT UP, BUT I WON'T PLAY YOUR DELIBERATELY IGNORANT GAMES

STRAWMAN.

I'm not talking about the authors of the books I mentioned. I'm talking about the GOSPELS (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). Do you know the difference? Then where's your example they're fictitious??

 

[Spartan]

Queen Elizabeth walked around Windsor Castle, obviously in a foul mood, telling her husband, Prince Phillip, that she had a mouth ulcer and felt generally unwell. She was taken to London Royal Infirmary where she was given some antibiotics, bonjela and a heatable cushion to sleep with. Her son, Prince Charles, was there, and he said he had hurried because he was concerned. He explained covertly to Phillip that he thought Brexit was stressing her somewhat and the PM at the time, Theresa May, wasn't helping - and the upcoming race to Number 10 wouldn't help matters.

^^ All real people, all real places, real events, completely fictional.

Are you fictional?

 

[Rival]

Are you fictional?

No.

Are you going to accept that historic usage =/= reality?

 

[ChristineM]

STRAWMAN.

I'm not talking about the authors of the books I mentioned. I'm talking about the GOSPELS (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). Do you know the difference? Then where's your example they're fictitious??

I don't give a toss how you move the goalposts, you offered a list of books, do you deny that? My posts were addressing your repeated list.

You an example of how they are ficticious?

 

[Spartan]

I don't give a toss how you move the goalposts, you offered a list of books, do you deny that? My posts were addressing your repeated list.

You an example of how they are ficticious?

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Once again you run from the challenge. I couldn't have been more clear because in each post I specifically said GOSPELS. How you were able to confuse that with anything else is mind boggling. So I guess you're not ever going to accept that repeated challenge, are you??

 

[Spartan]

No.

Are you going to accept that historic usage =/= reality?

The Gospels are either fiction or they're not. Trying to muddle the issue doesn't do anything constructive.

 

[ChristineM]

Once again you run from the challenge. I couldn't have been more clear because in each post I specifically said GOSPELS. How you were able to confuse that with anything else is mind boggling. So I guess you're not ever going to accept that repeated challenge, are you??

Bullpoop, you made the challenge, i called you out, you moved the goalposts and i provided the the evidence you asked for

Show me the post numbers where you asked me about the gospels and i will show you the post you asked about your list of books

So you are called out again

 

[Rival]

The Gospels are either fiction or they're not. Trying to muddle the issue doesn't do anything constructive.

So is my paragraph also real because it uses real people, real places and real events?

 

[Spartan]

Bullpoop, you made the challenge, i called you out, you moved the goalposts and i provided the the evidence you asked for

Show me the post numbers where you asked me about the gospels and i will show you the post you asked about your list of books

So you are called out again

I didn't move any goal posts. My challenge was clear - the GOSPELS.

I suspect you confused it intentionally because you can't meet the challenge.

 

[Spartan]

Bullpoop, you made the challenge, i called you out, you moved the goalposts and i provided the the evidence you asked for

Show me the post numbers where you asked me about the gospels and i will show you the post you asked about your list of books

So you are called out again

Let's start over.

A question and a challenge for you concerning the GOSPELS (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John):

Question: Is it your position that the Gospels are fiction? Yes or No?

If yes, then here's the challenge:

Show me ONE (1 - Just your BEST ONE) example of a fictitious person, place, or event in the GOSPELS. Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and demonstrate WHY, in your thinking, it's fictional. Specific evidence to back up your claim is requested.

 

[ChristineM]

I didn't move any goal posts. My challenge was clear - the GOSPELS.

I suspect you confused it intentionally because you can't meet the challenge.

Nope i am not dancing go your tune. I wads answering your post #353. You then then claimed you were discussing the gospels,. I really dont care if you shift the goalposts after the event

And then i when you got insistent i provided rock solid evidence to show the gospels are fiction because the main subject of those gospels was not who the gospels say he was.


You want more, the 4 gospels do not agree with each other in several key points. You really would think they would get their stories straight before going into print

 

[ChristineM]

Let's start over.

A question and a challenge for you concerning the GOSPELS (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John):

Question: Is it your position that the Gospels are fiction? Yes or No?

If yes, then here's the challenge:

Show me ONE (1 - Just your BEST ONE) example of a fictitious person, place, or event in the GOSPELS. Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and demonstrate WHY, in your thinking, it's fictional. Specific evidence to back up your claim is requested.

Done - and i im not playing your silly circular "i dont like your answer so lets start again and hope you give me a different answer that i like" game

 

[Goodman John]

Okay, here's the deal: Does it MATTER if Jesus was a real person or not? Even if we assume Jesus was a completely made-up person, does that mean the teachings attributed to this fictional person are rendered completely invalid? Say it wasn't Jesus who delivered the Sermon on the Mount, but Akhmed the Plumber- would the message and its meaning still be the same? Does the message's validity depend on the messenger?

Along that same line, does it MATTER if Jesus was just a man, and not divine in any way? Would his teachings and message not be exactly the same?

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, would it mean anything more or less had Adolf Hitler said, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"? Would you discard the message simply because you don't like the messenger?

 

[sojourner]

That is fine,it does not say its truthful or honest. Just that its will written.

And if you wish to continue with failed sarcasm just because you cannot handle definition, then i think we are done here

You're the one who's getting the definition wrong.

 

[sojourner]

He said he is the Truth.

That has nothing to do with the broad path passage. It's from Matthew. "I am the way..." is in John. Two different passages dealing with two different issues.

The texts are crying out from the twisting you're giving them.

 

[sojourner]

Okay, here's the deal: Does it MATTER if Jesus was a real person or not? Even if we assume Jesus was a completely made-up person, does that mean the teachings attributed to this fictional person are rendered completely invalid? Say it wasn't Jesus who delivered the Sermon on the Mount, but Akhmed the Plumber- would the message and its meaning still be the same? Does the message's validity depend on the messenger?

Along that same line, does it MATTER if Jesus was just a man, and not divine in any way? Would his teachings and message not be exactly the same?

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, would it mean anything more or less had Adolf Hitler said, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"? Would you discard the message simply because you don't like the messenger?

Yeah. It matters. The whole of Christian theology revolves around the reconciliation of the human with the Divine.