What Did Jesus Really Teach?

[CynthiaCypher]

You'll get alot of different answers from different people because the issue of what Jesus really taught is confusing. Some say he preached about love and forgiveness, sin and redemption and about justice for the poor and such things as that.

But when one reads the scriptures, they show us that main body of Jesus' message was The End of the World. Jesus taught that the End was coming and coming in the lifetime of his generation. And well Jesus was wrong as you can guess and I believe that all the other things Jesus preached were a product of his belief that the End was soon.

So can ya'll tell me what do you think he taught people and why he taught it.

 

[Hawkeye112200]

Well, for starters nice to see so many people on here with interesting topics.

May I ask, how did you arrive at the beliefs you currently hold about God and the supernatural?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Well, for starters nice to see so many people on here with interesting topics.

May I ask, how did you arrive at the beliefs you currently hold about God and the supernatural?

Reading.

 

[Bob Dixon]

I don't think that Jesus' teaching was all that apocalyptic in nature.
It could, if we're looking superficially, be interpreted to be so.

I accept the Gospel of Thomas as fairly authentic, so I can tell you to look at verse fifty-one for proof of my hypothesis.

But this would hinge upon your acceptance of this writing, see?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

He taught us that an immortal zombie-god will sometimes let himself be temporarily killed in order to save his creations from his arbitrary rules.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

He taught us that an immortal zombie-god will sometimes let himself be temporarily killed in order to save his creations from his arbitrary rules.

Only late in his ministry did he teach that I Must Die For The Sins of The People thing. And it seems he only meant the Jewish people and that he thought that it would institute the End of the World

 

[Hawkeye112200]

Reading.

And, what did you read that allowed you to conclude without any doubt, that Jesus was only talking about a specific generation or time interval?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I don't think that Jesus' teaching was all that apocalyptic in nature.

What's the first thing Jesus says in the earliest gospel source - the Gospel of Mark?

 

[idav]

So can ya'll tell me what do you think he taught people and why he taught it.

He taught people to use common sense and the the scriptures are symbolic. People still insist on taking him literally even though he always spoke symbolically or in parables. He taught common sense cause people needed it.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

And, what did you read that allowed you to conclude without any doubt, that Jesus was only talking about a specific generation or time interval?

He says so in the Bible - something about his audience not tasting death until the End comes and the High Priest being alive when the Son of Man arrives in power

 

[Hawkeye112200]

He taught people to use common sense and the the scriptures are symbolic. People still insist on taking him literally even though he always spoke symbolically or in parables. He taught common sense cause people needed it.

Where is the common since in "gaining the world and losing your soul?"

Was the reference to a soul metaphorical or literal. If literal, than how much common sense plays in the salvation of a soul can be debated. If metaphorical, than what does it matter, common sense or no common sense, the teaching, it doesn't matter.

 

[Hawkeye112200]

He says so in the Bible - something about his audience not tasting death until the End comes and the High Priest being alive when the Son of Man arrives in power

So in the bible, you have read "something" about the subject. Yet in your reference above it is feeble at best.

So that I may give you an ample reply to your initial query, please take a moment to give actual reference to your latest reply to my previous question.

I'm not being obtuse, only want clear tangible aspects to our conversation, not "something" and generalities. Hope that is agreeable to you.

Even if we went on your one paraphrased reference, is that all you have based your initial conclusion on? You without a doubt know Jesus was only intending the world to last a few days or years after his death from that one statement?

Just want to be clear.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

So in the bible, you have read "something" about the subject. Yet in your reference above it is feeble at best.

So that I may give you an ample reply to your initial query, please take a moment to give actual reference to your latest reply to my previous question.

I'm not being obtuse, only want clear tangible aspects to our conversation, not "something" and generalities. Hope that is agreeable to you.

Even if we went on your one paraphrased reference, is that all you have based your initial conclusion on? You without a doubt know Jesus was only intending the world to last a few days or years after his death from that one statement?

Just want to be clear.

Do I look like a Bible concordance to you? Go look it up yourself

 

[CynthiaCypher]

"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here,
which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of
man coming in his kingdom."

"Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon
this generation."

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled."

"Nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
in the clouds of heaven."


Want more?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Only late in his ministry did he teach that I Must Die For The Sins of The People thing. And it seems he only meant the Jewish people and that he thought that it would institute the End of the World

Yes, undead god zombies have much to teach.

 

[rusra02]

You'll get alot of different answers from different people because the issue of what Jesus really taught is confusing. Some say he preached about love and forgiveness, sin and redemption and about justice for the poor and such things as that.

But when one reads the scriptures, they show us that main body of Jesus' message was The End of the World. Jesus taught that the End was coming and coming in the lifetime of his generation. And well Jesus was wrong as you can guess and I believe that all the other things Jesus preached were a product of his belief that the End was soon.

So can ya'll tell me what do you think he taught people and why he taught it.

The main theme of Jesus teaching was God's Kingdom (Matthew 4:23, 6:9,10). His sermon on the mountain recorded at Matthew 5 thru 7 is a masterpiece of wisdom, and covered a wide range of practical counsel for life, unmatched before or since.
He did speak about the end of the Jewish system of things, which in fact happened when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 C.E, and devastated the temple, just as Jesus prophesied (Luke 21:5-24).

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[CynthiaCypher]

Yes, undead god zombies have much to teach.

Hey he was the David Koresh of his day. Golgotha was his Waco

 

[CynthiaCypher]

The main theme of Jesus teaching was God's Kingdom (Matthew 4:23, 6:9,10). His sermon on the mountain recorded at Matthew 5 thru 7 is a masterpiece of wisdom, and covered a wide range of practical counsel for life, unmatched before or since.
He did speak about the end of the Jewish system of things, which in fact happened when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 C.E, and devastated the temple, just as Jesus prophesied (Luke 21:5-24).

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No, he was pretty specific that the End of the Whole System of Thing period and the inauguration of God's kingdom on earth was going to happen in the lifetime of his generation. And he was wrong

 

[Antiochian]

What stumps me is Jesus's fondness for speaking of fires that will consume the wicked, all that good stuff. But my understanding is that Jews do not believe in hell at all. And since Jesus was obviously a Jew, where does all this come from? Perhaps he ran into some Zoroastrians or Greeks? Perhaps he didn't intend the hellfire references to be literal? Or maybe he never existed to begin with and it's all some bored guys' attempts at creative fiction?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

What stumps me is Jesus's fondness for speaking of fires that will consume the wicked, all that good stuff. But my understanding is that Jews do not believe in hell at all. And since Jesus was obviously a Jew, where does all this come from? Perhaps he ran into some Zoroastrians or Greeks? Perhaps he didn't intend the hellfire references to be literal? Or maybe he never existed to begin with and it's all some bored guys' attempts at creative fiction?

Yes he was a Jew but he was also an apocalyptic preaching Jew like the Essenes. The End of the World preachers of his day believed that God would eternally punish his enemies in ghastly ways. Read the Dead Sea Scrolls