What do you think about the concept of a "loyalty pledge"?

[fantome profane]

The RNC walks a delicate line, post Trump indictment

The candidate complained about pledging to back a possible "convicted felon."

www.politico.com

What do you think about this concept? Any Republican candidate what wants to participate in the nomination debates must sign a pledge to support whoever becomes the Republican Presidential Candidate.

Some of those Republicans running for President are doing so with the specific intent of stopping another candidate, because they think it is important that a certain person not become President. How can those people sign a pledge that says they would support them?

How can anyone in good conscience sign a pledge that says they would support someone for President even if they have been convicted of espionage against the United States? How can they be expected to take an oath that they will support someone who broke his oath to defend the constitution? One of the candidates is being asked to pledge to support a candidate who encouraged a mob to hang him.


Any one of the candidates who signs this pledge you know is someone who doesn't take their oaths seriously.

 

[Watchmen]

Not a fan of the loyalty pledge for the reasons you outline.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

More evidence that the RNC is warping and festering into a fascist abomination.

 

[Stevicus]

So, what are the actual words in this loyalty pledge?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well im glad applicable respondents feel that way along with all the colorful sanctimonious responses that apply.

So in unison with them I'll gladly exclaim...

WOW, JUST LIKE THE DEMOCRATS!!!!

Bernie Sanders signs DNC loyalty pledge: 'I am a member of the Democratic Party'

The 2020 candidate has long resisted calls to officially align himself with the Democratic Party, preferring to remain a political independent.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Twilight Hue]

The RNC walks a delicate line, post Trump indictment

The candidate complained about pledging to back a possible "convicted felon."

www.politico.com

What do you think about this concept? Any Republican candidate what wants to participate in the nomination debates must sign a pledge to support whoever becomes the Republican Presidential Candidate.

Some of those Republicans running for President are doing so with the specific intent of stopping another candidate, because they think it is important that a certain person not become President. How can those people sign a pledge that says they would support them?

How can anyone in good conscience sign a pledge that says they would support someone for President even if they have been convicted of espionage against the United States? How can they be expected to take an oath that they will support someone who broke his oath to defend the constitution? One of the candidates is being asked to pledge to support a candidate who encouraged a mob to hang him.


Any one of the candidates who signs this pledge you know is someone who doesn't take their oaths seriously.

No question loyalties shouldn't be centered on individuals, not even their party, but rather one's country.

 

[Stevicus]

" I... State your name. - Do hereby pledge allegiance to the frat. - With liberty and fraternity for all."

 

[blü 2]

The RNC walks a delicate line, post Trump indictment

The candidate complained about pledging to back a possible "convicted felon."

www.politico.com

What do you think about this concept? Any Republican candidate what wants to participate in the nomination debates must sign a pledge to support whoever becomes the Republican Presidential Candidate.

Some of those Republicans running for President are doing so with the specific intent of stopping another candidate, because they think it is important that a certain person not become President. How can those people sign a pledge that says they would support them?

How can anyone in good conscience sign a pledge that says they would support someone for President even if they have been convicted of espionage against the United States? How can they be expected to take an oath that they will support someone who broke his oath to defend the constitution? One of the candidates is being asked to pledge to support a candidate who encouraged a mob to hang him.


Any one of the candidates who signs this pledge you know is someone who doesn't take their oaths seriously.

I think the Republicans should resolve their differences by refusing to run a presidential candidate.

But their track record doesn't suggest they listen to advice.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Dog bites man ...

 

[Koldo]

The RNC walks a delicate line, post Trump indictment

The candidate complained about pledging to back a possible "convicted felon."

www.politico.com

What do you think about this concept? Any Republican candidate what wants to participate in the nomination debates must sign a pledge to support whoever becomes the Republican Presidential Candidate.

Some of those Republicans running for President are doing so with the specific intent of stopping another candidate, because they think it is important that a certain person not become President. How can those people sign a pledge that says they would support them?

How can anyone in good conscience sign a pledge that says they would support someone for President even if they have been convicted of espionage against the United States? How can they be expected to take an oath that they will support someone who broke his oath to defend the constitution? One of the candidates is being asked to pledge to support a candidate who encouraged a mob to hang him.


Any one of the candidates who signs this pledge you know is someone who doesn't take their oaths seriously.

In principle, there is a smaller ideological difference between candidates of the same political party than between parties. Plus, it is necessary to have as much unity as possible to improve one's prospect at winning the election.

Rather than removing the pledge, if a candidate is so abhorrent that it shouldn't even be running in the first place, it simply shouldn't be allowed into the primaries.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

In principle, there is a smaller ideological difference between candidates of the same political party than between parties. Plus, it is necessary to have as much unity as possible to improve one's prospect at winning the election.

Rather than removing the pledge, if a candidate is so abhorrent that it shouldn't even be running in the first place, it simply shouldn't be allowed into the primaries.

And how, precisely, might that be implemented in a severely reactionary GOP?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well im glad applicable respondents feel that way along with all the colorful sanctimonious responses that apply.

So in unison with them I'll gladly exclaim...

WOW, JUST LIKE THE DEMOCRATS!!!!

Bernie Sanders signs DNC loyalty pledge: 'I am a member of the Democratic Party'

The 2020 candidate has long resisted calls to officially align himself with the Democratic Party, preferring to remain a political independent.

www.nbcnews.com

Did you read the Democrats' pledge, though? Your big bold text suggests that you didn't.

Things in that pledge:

- the candidate affirms that they really are a Democrat.
- the candidate acknowledges the authority of the party to choose a candidate according to its rules.

Things NOT in that pledge:

- the candidate pledging to support any Democrat candidate for President... i.e. the thing at issue.

 

[Koldo]

And how, precisely, might that be implemented in a severely reactionary GOP?

If it is not implemented it means the party doesn't want to prevent itself from having abhorent candidates. What can we do if that's the will of the party?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If it is not implemented it means the party doesn't want to prevent itself from having abhorent candidates. What can we do if that's the will of the party?

Tag me when you choose not to sidestep my question.

 

[fantome profane]

If it is not implemented it means the party doesn't want to prevent itself from having abhorent candidates. What can we do if that's the will of the party?

Not vote for that party. Do everything you can to prevent such a party from gaining power. Vote for, donate money to, campaign for their opposition.

 

[SomeRandom]

The RNC walks a delicate line, post Trump indictment

The candidate complained about pledging to back a possible "convicted felon."

www.politico.com

What do you think about this concept? Any Republican candidate what wants to participate in the nomination debates must sign a pledge to support whoever becomes the Republican Presidential Candidate.

Some of those Republicans running for President are doing so with the specific intent of stopping another candidate, because they think it is important that a certain person not become President. How can those people sign a pledge that says they would support them?

How can anyone in good conscience sign a pledge that says they would support someone for President even if they have been convicted of espionage against the United States? How can they be expected to take an oath that they will support someone who broke his oath to defend the constitution? One of the candidates is being asked to pledge to support a candidate who encouraged a mob to hang him.


Any one of the candidates who signs this pledge you know is someone who doesn't take their oaths seriously.

Is it bad of me to say that such a pledge gives me huge cult-y vibes? Like yikes!!

I get making a promise to uphold X values or whatever. Even make a ceremony of it, if you like. Whatever

But yeah I think I agree with you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In principle, there is a smaller ideological difference between candidates of the same political party than between parties. Plus, it is necessary to have as much unity as possible to improve one's prospect at winning the election.

Rather than removing the pledge, if a candidate is so abhorrent that it shouldn't even be running in the first place, it simply shouldn't be allowed into the primaries.

No, this is America, where we tell politicians who demand loyalty to kiss our ***.

 

[Koldo]

Tag me when you choose not to sidestep my question.

I was commenting on what change I would find more proper. You were asking how such change would be enacted given how unwillingly to change, in general, the party is. If the party is going to prevent any reforms, then there is nothing we can do as long as this situation remains...

 

[Brickjectivity]

What do you think about this concept?

It is in competition to the pledge to the American flag, so it is actually a reversal of that other pledge.

 

[Koldo]

Not vote for that party. Do everything you can to prevent such a party from gaining power. Vote for, donate money to, campaign for their opposition.

That's not gonna happen in this two-party system the US effectively has, at least not on short term. Let's be honest: Republicans in general would still prefer to vote in Trump than in any democrat candidate.