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What do you think of Paul the Apostle?

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I'm sure you're aware of the BeliefNet Quiz? Years ago
I think aftr I reply I'm gonna go take the quiz. Probably it will tell me that I'm 100% a goddess LOL j/k

I rated 97% Jewish. Go figure!
Well, as you know, we don't proselytize. You are fine just the way you are. But you know, the door is also always open to you :)
Anyway, I see most of the dietary laws as I said previously as safety precautions. The people were nomads so setting up camp and packing up had to be streamlined and I would imagine meats weren't always brought to safe internal temps. Shellfish and pork can kill you.
I can understand that. A think a lot of people have that interpretation, so you are not alone. However, it begs the question, why is beef allowed but horsemeat not allowed? There is absolutely nothing unhealthy about horse. Similarly, beef can also spoil, so why then would it be allowed? There is much debate over why the laws of kashrut came into being, but most scholars would say it has nothing to do with health.
it is proper to be respectful of the life, not to be cruel, and not to be wasteful. I read once about kosher slaughter and how a special technique and special knife was used by trained men.
Right. Kosher slaughter was designed to be the form of slaughter least painful and traumatizing to the animal. Torah says very little about animals, but what little it says seems to indicate a consistent ethic of kindness towards them. Like if you are going to take the eggs out of the nest, you chase away the mother bird first, so that you will not distress her when you take her eggs. If you are going to plow, you cannot harness an ox and a donkey together, because their strength is not equal, and it would hurt them to pull. Did you know that Jews are required to feed our animals before we feed ourselves? There's more, but I've made my point. :)
the living conditions of these poor animals are horrible.
Factory farms are animal cruelty. We have started to pass laws against these abuses, but honestly this fight has just begun.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
What do you think of Romans 3:7, where Paul admits he is a liar?
“Someone might argue, ‘If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?’”
I don't think it means he is a liar. I understand the scripture so that he makes a rhetorical question and shows it is wrong.
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
I think aftr I reply I'm gonna go take the quiz. Probably it will tell me that I'm 100% a goddess LOL j/k
It was an interesting experience. My son came up as some never having heard of faith which was pretty much on the mark!
Well, as you know, we don't proselytize. You are fine just the way you are. But you know, the door is also always open to you :)
Thank you, but I'm the happiest I've ever been just exploring and gathering what feels right and makes sense from my view.
I can understand that. A think a lot of people have that interpretation, so you are not alone. However, it begs the question, why is beef allowed but horsemeat not allowed? There is absolutely nothing unhealthy about horse. Similarly, beef can also spoil, so why then would it be allowed? There is much debate over why the laws of kashrut came into being, but most scholars would say it has nothing to do with health.
That's interesting. So can you tell "us" a little as to why it is generally believed by Jews that these laws were given?
Right. Kosher slaughter was designed to be the form of slaughter least painful and traumatizing to the animal. Torah says very little about animals, but what little it says seems to indicate a consistent ethic of kindness towards them. Like if you are going to take the eggs out of the nest, you chase away the mother bird first, so that you will not distress her when you take her eggs. If you are going to plow, you cannot harness an ox and a donkey together, because their strength is not equal, and it would hurt them to pull. Did you know that Jews are required to feed our animals before we feed ourselves? There's more, but I've made my point. :)
This fits perfectly into how I was reared, and is basic, old-school farming/hunting principles. Of course we were also taught to grow more garden than needed so there was plenty to share.
Factory farms are animal cruelty. We have started to pass laws against these abuses, but honestly this fight has just begun.
Yes. It's a difficult matter in meeting supply and demand needs to feed an ever growing population. Here in country-life we no longer have the local meat houses to rely on. It's the supermarkets just like in the cities.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I'm curious what you think about Abraham arguing with God about the morality of destroying Sodom. Do you think Abraham was sinning by challenging God?

How about when Moses argued with God to save the Jews from being destroyed after the Golden Calf? Do you think that Moses was sinning by arguing with God?
Possibly for both, who knows? What do you think?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I agree in World Without End, just as I believe God's will, or the commandments, will never be forfeited. Now the 613 laws of Leviticus I do believe were meant to change as mankind evolves.
Interesting post above 'yes' change because the Law was just leading to Messiah the seed of Genesis 3:15
This is a reason why Jesus gave us the New Commandment found at John13:34-35
We are now to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has
In other words, we are now to love neighbor MORE than self, more than the old Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18
As world developments evolve it will first be darkest before the dawn
The dawning of Jesus' 1000 yr. reign over Earth starting at the coming time of separation on Earth - Matthew 25:31-43,37
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Possibly for both, who knows? What do you think?
I'm surprised you don't have an opinion on that. As for me, I think God does not reward bad behavior. Instead, God called Abraham and Moses out of all the possible men on the earth.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I'm surprised you don't have an opinion on that. As for me, I think God does not reward bad behavior. Instead, God called Abraham and Moses out of all the possible men on the earth.


ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.
 

graceac2024

New Member
First hearing this. Are you attached to a certain denomination. Just being curious
I am the one with red hair the birth mark on my thigh and the marks on my hands I'm the feminine Christ. My name is Grace. I have a Facebook group

Log into Facebook has all the proof its me im alive right now doing all of this please read my wall to fill in all truths its really hard putting it into your souls and you not being confused and that gives me anxiety just go read what i left you all and please remember i am the shulamite bride and Proverbs 3-8 wisdom your mother the Graceful doe because hi my name ia Grace. There were people that for some reason thought i was against God or im evil or just want to find someone to call a whore and crap all over like the devil who divides when im in the Bible, and after me and everything Christ went through dont talk bad about me im the holy Spirit a person and a spirit that came in the last end times of Earth not because i am the one destroying anything like they said the Bible says the Lord destroys Earth in wrath and tribulation its unforgivable to go against the holy Spirit who is me the second person Grace the second comforter and for me that was depressing watching full grown men call me horrible things on YouTube thinking on any level thats what it means to be Christian to even have eternal life with us.
 

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MayPeaceBeUpOnYou

Active Member
I am the one with red hair the birth mark on my thigh and the marks on my hands I'm the feminine Christ. My name is Grace. I have a Facebook group

Log into Facebook has all the proof its me im alive right now doing all of this please read my wall to fill in all truths its really hard putting it into your souls and you not being confused and that gives me anxiety just go read what i left you all and please remember i am the shulamite bride and Proverbs 3-8 wisdom your mother the Graceful doe because hi my name ia Grace. There were people that for some reason thought i was against God or im evil or just want to find someone to call a whore and crap all over like the devil who divides when im in the Bible, and after me and everything Christ went through dont talk bad about me im the holy Spirit a person and a spirit that came in the last end times of Earth not because i am the one destroying anything like they said the Bible says the Lord destroys Earth in wrath and tribulation its unforgivable to go against the holy Spirit who is me the second person Grace the second comforter and for me that was depressing watching full grown men call me horrible things on YouTube thinking on any level thats what it means to be Christian to even have eternal life with us.
Alright didn’t see that coming but thanks, i think
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I am the one with red hair the birth mark on my thigh and the marks on my hands I'm the feminine Christ. My name is Grace. I have a Facebook group

Log into Facebook has all the proof its me im alive right now doing all of this please read my wall to fill in all truths its really hard putting it into your souls and you not being confused and that gives me anxiety just go read what i left you all and please remember i am the shulamite bride and Proverbs 3-8 wisdom your mother the Graceful doe because hi my name ia Grace. There were people that for some reason thought i was against God or im evil or just want to find someone to call a whore and crap all over like the devil who divides when im in the Bible, and after me and everything Christ went through dont talk bad about me im the holy Spirit a person and a spirit that came in the last end times of Earth not because i am the one destroying anything like they said the Bible says the Lord destroys Earth in wrath and tribulation its unforgivable to go against the holy Spirit who is me the second person Grace the second comforter and for me that was depressing watching full grown men call me horrible things on YouTube thinking on any level thats what it means to be Christian to even have eternal life with us.
I looked at your pictures. Sorry, but you hand does NOT appear to have stigmata. If you think you are Jesus, I suggest you find a good counselor.
 

IsraelMoses

Member
I was uneasy with him as a Christian. Jesus said not to trust anyone coming after him, and Paul contradicts him quite a lot. Like how Jehovah commanded many times over amd again to be fruitful and multiply, Paul says it's best to be like him and not married.
Today I read it and understand why, that I'm reading a confused, angry, hot and cold...those parts it's suspected and widely believed it's not actually Paul who wrote them.
Overall, what's attributed to him, it's like the rest of thr Bible in theres good and there bad. He is terribly misogynist. But he reinforces not judging others and accepting your own sins.
To understand Apostle Paul and he was an Apostle, contrary to some others gross misunderstanding of holy scripture, including others who deem him homosexual. There are people in this world that cannot read or write, but they can read an write the Holy Bible. Why, How ? God says, simply seek and you will find Him, knock and the door will be opened. He lives inside every living human being, as per the Holy Bible, New Testament and the older Old Testament, Ye are gods. We are all made in His image, as spirit, exception we are spirit encased with a flesh body. As a kid, just an older kid, nowadays, I wondered how can God be everywhere, even at the same time, maybe He uses the Angels ? But, years later, I found that, I viewed Him as flesh like us, but He is Spirit, a Spirit of all life. Even the earth is a form of life of His creation, just not to be worshiped, as the pagans do. You want to worship the Creator, not the created. Apostle Paul tried his best, died for it. He was fighting his own people, at the same time suspicious, doubting apostles, disciples and people he was trying to win over. Couple that with the wayward scribes, who added a word, subtracted a word, here and there, you end up with veering off track. It takes the Holy Spirit of God to get you on track and keep you on track, which comes from first seeking God in truth, all sincerity that you can, at the present muster, not knowing, not believing, but desiring to know truth. Then, seek Him, ask Him. He speaks. He will open the door to your understanding. He is a personal God. He desires a personal relationship. Ask Him any question and since His Spirit resides in all life, He will answer either directly or through someone close or far, at a church and they will, normally have no clue to what they just gave you, but you, will. God, His Holy Spirit, divides to each, as needed, every day of worship, some do it on the pagan day of worship, Sunday, honoring the Sun and others who know, the 7th Day, the Sabbath Day of God, His holy day as per His Ten Commandments. There is fellowship in the church, the right church, of course. Churches being like schools, some nursery, elementary, junior, senior, high school and some college types. They help to strengthen. If they do not strengthen, He will drive you out.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There are people in this world that cannot read or write, but they can read an write the Holy Bible.
Then that person obviously can read amd write and saying they can't read or write is inaccurate.
opened. He lives inside every living human being,
I evicted him decades ago.
It takes the Holy Spirit of God to get you on track and keep you on track,
I've actually been far more on track since I left the Church.
Sunday, honoring the Sun and others who know, the 7th Day, the Sabbath Day of God, His holy day as per His Ten Commandments.
Actually the Sabbath is Friday evening to Saturday evening. The Jews/Hebrews traditionally don't mark the passage of a day the same as we do in the West.
There is fellowship in the church, the right church, of course. Churches being like schools, some nursery, elementary, junior, senior, high school and some college types. They help to strengthen. If they do not strengthen, He will drive you out.
It can be said church is den of liars, thieves and hypocrites.
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
What do you think of Paul the Apostle?
Paul was false apostle. Paul started to derail Christianity and Emperor Constantine finished the project.

Paul planted the seed of lies. Constantine watered the plant and let it grow into a giant false monster it is now.

Now most Christians think it is okay to eat pork, okay to drink alcohol, believe in trinity, believe Jesus died to erase their sins and most Christian men think it is okay to not circumcise etc. etc.
All these false change came from Paul and later endorsed, stamped, notarized and sealed by Emperor Constantine.
And that's a short version of how Christianity lost its true face!:facepalm:
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Paul was false apostle. Paul started to derail Christianity and Emperor Constantine finished the project.

Paul planted the seed of lies. Constantine watered the plant and let it grow into a giant false monster it is now.

Now most Christians think it is okay to eat pork, okay to drink alcohol, believe in trinity, believe Jesus died to erase their sins and most Christian men think it is okay to not circumcise etc. etc.
All these false change came from Paul and later endorsed, stamped, notarized and sealed by Emperor Constantine.
And that's a short version of how Christianity lost its true face!:facepalm:
I agree with most of what you've stated here.
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
How does one get that, please?

Regards
Paul lied about being appointed as a minister and witness while on the road to Damascus (Acts 26, Acts 9) and there is circumstantial evidence that Paul was one of the liars & false apostles that were rejected at Ephesus (Revelation 2:2, Acts 19:9).
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I'm not talking about in the afterlife.

So is that a yes or a no that you agree that God does not reward evil?
I'm not talking about the afterlife either, and it's too subjective to determine, I believe. For instance, I don't believe that God rewards evil but it may look that way to some people, who knows?
 
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