IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It is clear you take the Adam and Eve story to be history. I don't. To me, it is simply a wonderful creative piece of fiction that teaches important valued and statements about human nature.
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What do you think of Purgatory?
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InChrist
Free4ever
Okay, thanks again for sharing your view. I do believe the Garden of Eden account to be historical, but I realize many don’t.
Would you say the OT temple sacrifices were fictional, also?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
We have all sorts of archeological evidence documenting sacrifices, as well as reliable historical documents confirming it.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
One also might ask about the death penalty ordered at Leviticus 24:16, maybe that was a fictional thing also.
"anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death."
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
I think you miss the point..
Our deeds affect our faith, and good deeds bring us nearer to G-d, while sin brings
us farther away. This is about OUR nature, and not that of G-d.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I agree with you that sin negatively effects our soul. The more you commit a particular sin, the more it numbs the pangs of your conscience. I'm not saying that sin isn't harmful. My point here is that I don't agree that God stops loving us or hearing our prayers or anything like that simply because we sin. The Christian idea that "God cannot look upon sin" just seems bizarre to me.
I think that God loves everyone, a priori. That's a priori dogma.
Nevertheless sometimes we think that He loves us more than the others. And this makes us believe that we are more important than the others: hence divisions, overpowering, abuse of power.
Evil and sin are the result of that: if we think we are as important as the other 8 billion people on Earth, in God's eyes, sin rarely comes.
Sin never comes.
That's my opinion.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Who would you say sets the standard for sin? In other words, who defines sin?
Jesus Christ does, in my faith.
Sin derives from the absence of love. When we don't love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Yes, according to Matthew 22:23 the Sadducees were 'sad you see' because they rejected the resurrection - Acts 4:1-2; 23:8
Agree, Jesus Christ does, and Jesus gave us his New Commandment found at John 13:34-35.
We are Now to love neighbor MORE than self - love more than the old golden rule of Leviticus 19:18
In other words, we are now to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
Right because there isn't 'any thing' (or anyone else) that can separate us from God ' except ' we ourselves - John 10:28-29
Yipes, then you disagree with 1st Chronicles' detailed Jewish ancestral list starting with verse one __________
Who is the 'our' in 'our deeds' because even an atheist can do deeds.
But what atheist will do the deeds Jesus instructed to do at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
MelancholicPotatoChip
Member
As an atheist, I don’t think about purgatory.This question is addressed to Christians, particularly.
I am curious about the other people's stance, though.
So anyone can express their opinion on what Purgatory is.
Purgatory - Wikipedia
You can express your global vision on soteriology, as well. I would appreciate it, if you did.
Thank you in advance.
Jesus agrees with you because Jesus did Not think or teach about any purgatory.
Jesus did Not resurrect his 4-day dead friend from any purgatory but simply brought him back to life - John 11:11-14
Jesus brought his friend back from death's deep sleep - John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Every time Jesus mentions Gehenna, he is referring to a temporary hell where we are purified. Isn't that what purgatory is?
InChrist
Free4ever
I’m not actually questioning the sacrifices. I do wonder what you believe their purpose was, as related to sin.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Sacrifices were basically the steps in creating a meal: slaughter, cooking, and eating. I am not entirely sure, but I suspect that "having a communal meal with God" might be seen as a way to restore relationship with him.
Another theory, this one more classic, is simply that the origins of sacrifice were in ancient paganism, which believed in powerful, fickle gods that if you didn't appease them, they would send a drought or a plague or whatever. The idea of a sacrifice is simply to destroy something that is important to you, such as your food or your child, as a way of showing the gods "You are important to me. Please don't smite me." It's a way of thinking that really doesn't exist anymore, even among Neo-Pagans.
Gehenna was a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed.
If you destroy something in a fire place it is gone forever ( ashes for example )
The living were Never thrown into the Gehenna garbage pit. ( incinerator )
KJV wrongly translated Gehenna into English as hell fire, so that wrong idea could include a purgatory.
Since death 'acquits' a person's sins - Romans 6:7,23 - then what good would a purgatory serve.
Biblical hell is Not from the word Gehenna.
Even the expression of ' helling potatoes ' is Not roasting but burying them.
Who in their right mind would even slowly roast a vicious live animal over a burning fire.
Does anyone righteous go to hell __________
The day righteous Jesus' died he went to hell - Acts 2:27
Not to fire but to a well deserved sleep.
'Sleep' is the conditions of the dead according to both Jesus and the OT
- see Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14
Temporary Sleep or Rest In Peace until Resurrection Day - Acts 24:15
Resurrection Day meaning: Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day governing over Earth for a thousand years.
- 1st Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8