What do you think of Purgatory?

[muhammad_isa]

So, to me there is No confusion with the present (temporary) life and being made new during Jesus' 1000 yr.reign over Earth..

Right .. Jesus will wave a magic wand, and hey presto, blood can no longer leak out
of people's bodies..
Makes you wonder why he didn't do it the last time he was here..

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Right .. Jesus will wave a magic wand, and hey presto, blood can no longer leak out
of people's bodies..
Makes you wonder why he didn't do it the last time he was here..

Remember: Jesus being the sinless Son of God could have walked away at any time - John 18:36
Jesus stood in your place so that death would Not be the end of you
Jesus paid the price for our wrongdoings by sacrificing his own life in behalf of our lives
If in a court of law a judged sentenced you to death (even though you were innocent of a crime) and a voice in the courtroom spoke up saying, " I will take your place " how would you feel ___________
The Judge asks the person " Are you sure you want to do that ? "
The person answers the Judge, " Yes, Father I am sure "
The Judge is God and the person is God's Son taking your place
From eternal life lost in Eden to eternal life returned to Earth
Adam and Eve and descendants would never bleed out if they had Not broken the law - Genesis 2:17
The Law of "cause and effect " Adam caused sin and sin's effect is: death
Nothing a sinless Adam could do that would cause him to bleed out, only happen to a sinful Adam

 

[muhammad_isa]

Adam and Eve and descendants would never bleed out if they had Not broken the law - Genesis 2:17

Yes, that's as maybe .. but they did.
...and life is as it is.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes, that's as maybe .. but they did.
...and life is as it is.

Yes, ' life is as it is ' today since Noah's day
We all trace back to one of Noah's three sons besides Mr & Mrs Noah
The governmental heavens of OLD were corrupted in Noah's day - 2nd Peter 3:5
The governmental heavens of NOW meaning since Noah's day to our NOW day are also corrupted - 2nd Peter 3:7
The governmental heavens of NEW is the coming 1000-yr. governmental reign of Christ over Earth - 2nd Peter 3:13

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Right .. Jesus will wave a magic wand, and hey presto, blood can no longer leak out of people's bodies.............................

I find it is Not any magic wand, but the 'sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth' will rid the Earth of the wicked
- Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15
The meek who inherit the Earth (Proverbs 2:21-22; Psalm 37:9-11; 22:26) will have perfectly-healthy sound hearts, minds and bodies because Jesus will bring an end to death on Earth - 1st Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8
The blind will see, the lame will walk, the deaf will hear - chapter 35 of Isaiah

 

[muhammad_isa]

I find it is Not any magic wand, but the 'sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth' will rid the Earth of the wicked..

We are all wicked

 

[danieldemol]

We are all wicked

Speak for yourself thanks, you dont know me

 

[muhammad_isa]

Speak for yourself thanks, you dont know me

I'm speaking generally .. we are all sinners.
Right, not all sins are equal in severity, but nevertheless..

 

[shunyadragon]

This question is addressed to Christians, particularly.
I am curious about the other people's stance, though.
So anyone can express their opinion on what Purgatory is.

Purgatory - Wikipedia

You can express your global vision on soteriology, as well. I would appreciate it, if you did.
Thank you in advance.

Ancient mythology as well as the ancient tribal beliefs in Heaven and Hell.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

We are all wicked

We all lean towards / wrongdoing, but that does not make just anyone as being wicked
In the illustration of the figurative 'sheep & goats' (Matt. 25:31-34,37) the sheep are Not counted as wicked
No resurrection for the wicked but destruction - Psalm 104:35, resurrection is for both the 'righteous and unrighteous'
King James says, 'just and unjust' - Acts 24:15
Some modern translators take the liberty to change unrighteous or unjust as to mean wicked. There is a difference.
Those ruing the Earth ( literal and moral ) will be brought to ruin - Revelation 11:18 B
So, those Not causing ruin will be counted as being humble meek people to inherit the Earth - Psalm 37:9-11; 22:26

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Ancient mythology as well as the ancient tribal beliefs in Heaven and Hell.

I like how you mention ^ above^ in connection to myths
Heaven in Scripture can refer to God's home (1st Kings 8:39) or the mid-heavens where the birds fly
Atmospheric heavens where the planes fly
Even governmental heavens because of government governing over the population
(at times in Scripture even 'mountains' are used in connection representing government towering over the population)
I don't know if ancient Babylon can be considered as ancient tribal beliefs, but as the people migrated away from the Tower of Babel they took with them their false religious-myth ideas and beliefs and spread them world wide into a greater religious-myth Babylonian teaching or Babylon the Great
That helps explain the world's similar or overlapping false religious-myth idea of a burning hell after death
which is in sharp contrast to biblical hell which is mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead

- Psalm 6:5; Psalm 13:3; Psalm 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I'm speaking generally .. we are all sinners.
Right, not all sins are equal in severity, but nevertheless..

Good point ^ above ^ to me that Not all sins are equal.........
Nevertheless, sin is: either or purpose or not, deliberate or not, by accident or not, premeditated or not........
and in the Bible there is the un-forgivable sin - Matthew 12:32

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

We are all wicked

I'm speaking generally .. we are all sinners.
Right, not all sins are equal in severity, but nevertheless..

In your personal opinion, of course.

And, of course, you're entitled to your preferred religious beliefs, but I'm sure you realize that not everyone believes them to be a definitive matter of fact.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

It's an absolutely silly catholic invention. I wonder if I will hear something similar to elevator music while I'm waiting in the 'lobby.' How ludicrous!

Others have told me that my belief in the paranormal (e.g., spirits and hauntings) is ridiculous, but I don't listen to them because I respect that they believe differently than I do. I also know that their disbelief has no bearing on what I believe, so it makes no difference to me whether they believe as I do or not.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Good point ^ above ^ to me that Not all sins are equal.........
Nevertheless, sin is: either or purpose or not, deliberate or not, by accident or not, premeditated or not........
and in the Bible there is the un-forgivable sin - Matthew 12:32

OK .. but the idea that "the wicked" will disappear from the earth for good, and that those
that are left will not bleed is merely JW dogma. It has no logical basis.

Of course, G-d can create whatever He wills.
..and clearly, His will was to create what we see.

That is not to say that an alternative reality does not exist, but that is not JW 'paradise earth'.
JW 'paradise earth' is the continuation of this present one, magically transformed.
It makes no sense .. this life is mortal .. this earth is finite etc. etc.

What JW's describe, is an alternative reality, and not this finite universe.

 

[shunyadragon]

I like how you mention ^ above^ in connection to myths
Heaven in Scripture can refer to God's home (1st Kings 8:39) or the mid-heavens where the birds fly
Atmospheric heavens where the planes fly
Even governmental heavens because of government governing over the population
(at times in Scripture even 'mountains' are used in connection representing government towering over the population)
I don't know if ancient Babylon can be considered as ancient tribal beliefs, but as the people migrated away from the Tower of Babel they took with them their false religious-myth ideas and beliefs and spread them world wide into a greater religious-myth Babylonian teaching or Babylon the Great
That helps explain the world's similar or overlapping false religious-myth idea of a burning hell after death
which is in sharp contrast to biblical hell which is mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead

- Psalm 6:5; Psalm 13:3; Psalm 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14

This does change my previous response. You cite ancient tribal scripture to justify ancient tribal mythology.

 

[shunyadragon]

We are all wicked

Unfortunate generalization.

 

[YoursTrue]

This does change my previous response. You cite ancient tribal scripture to justify ancient tribal mythology.

You have not supported your views with definitions of what you think heaven, hell, and purgatory may mean.

 

[shunyadragon]

You have not supported your views with definitions of what you think heaven, hell, and purgatory may mean.

Ancient mythological views of Divine punishment and, of course, rewards.

Definitions in different churches and religions is highly variable and conflicting. It easy to conclude that such places do not exist as described in the Bible, and of course, the mythical alternative purgatory.

There are alternative as Gehenna and Sheol described in Bible with variable interpretations, Also various Resurrection beliefs of a select few or billions of righteous souls in the future. Mythology takes many forms.

 

[YoursTrue]

Ancient mythological views of Divine punishment and, of course, rewards.

Definitions in different churches and religions is highly variable and conflicting. It easy to conclude that such places do not exist as described in the Bible, and of course, the mythical alternative purgatory.

So aside from the concept of conflicting ideas about heaven hell and purgatory, do you believe in the concept of divine punishment or reward?