What do you think of the virgin birth of Jesus ?

[dust1n]

is this longest question ?
In Islam :
there is no specific age for being die/gone . die early or day at old age it's does not matter ,die by gun or by disease , since it's same end "death" status.

baby could die even before being born , so then IF his parent get patient and thanks God , so they reward for that in afterlife . so the baby will save them from Hell .

that's God want, nor you or me , can change it .

Let me rephrase my question. You stated that God might punish a couple of parents by giving their children disease and killing them, or he might do just to test them to make sure they still love God and all. So at what point in a child's life can he/she no longer worry about dying for the sake of their parent's punishment and test? I'm three, God can kill me to punish my parents. I'm seven, God can kill me to punish my parents? I'm 14, God can kill me to punish my parents?

I have a question for you :
are you believe that we were designed ?

Nope.

 

[Desert Snake]

I can't believe how much debate this has garnered. You would think that this doesn't matter.

 

[Neo Deist]

The virgin birth should not be up for debate.......it was a mandatory item for Jesus since the inherited sin of Adam is passed down through the biological father. Jesus could have no sin in Him.......thus the Holy Spirit stepped in and did what was necessary...........the Holy blood shed at that cross had no sin in it.........not gonna happen..........

Says who? What you suggest is a traditional teaching, not biblical.

I believe in a God who is all powerful, and He could have Jesus be born any way that He wanted. If He wanted Jesus to be pure at birth, all He had to do was snap His divine fingers and it would be so. God does not need man made drivel to assist Him.

 

[Katzpur]

The virgin birth should not be up for debate.......it was a mandatory item for Jesus since the inherited sin of Adam is passed down through the biological father.

How on earth did you come up with that bit of information?

Jesus could have no sin in Him.......thus the Holy Spirit stepped in and did what was necessary...........the Holy blood shed at that cross had no sin in it.........not gonna happen..........

Nobody was born guilty of anything, not even the worst person who ever lived. Jesus was perfect and would have been perfect regardless of the role the Holy Spirit had in His conception.

 

[Thorwald Johansen]

How on earth did you come up with that bit of information?

Nobody was born guilty of anything, not even the worst person who ever lived. Jesus was perfect and would have been perfect regardless of the role the Holy Spirit had in His conception.

Then explain the scriptures in Genesis concerning Noah's son who saw Noah naked, while Noah was sleeping in his tent.

 

[Godobeyer]

Let me rephrase my question. You stated that God might punish a couple of parents by giving their children disease and killing them, or he might do just to test them to make sure they still love God and all. So at what point in a child's life can he/she no longer worry about dying for the sake of their parent's punishment and test? I'm three, God can kill me to punish my parents. I'm seven, God can kill me to punish my parents? I'm 14, God can kill me to punish my parents?

that's good exemple , I am not sure if this issue expanded to non-Muslims

I find an article talking about how if a Muslim losing kid

The destiny and state of deceased Muslim children - Islam web - English

Nope.

I disagree , look at your body , it's certainlly designed .

imagine that your eyes under you mouth . or you had no teeth or no ears , lets suppose that you mouth is back ,how you will see the food or smell it !!!

if you don't designed , so you can remove any member of your body to other place , put your anus close to your mouth, cut your hand , leg ?


again , do you REALLY believe that your body is NOT designed ?

 

[Godobeyer]

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So God made a plan for parents to have a child for the sole purpose of seeing this child suffer as a test or lesson for the parents? The child is nothing more than a tool and has become dehumanized. This is barbaric and shows how malicious your god is.

lol

I am curious if your God can stop the child dieng ?

So parents have the right to kill their children. Without the parents there is no child, the parents are the boss.

don't mix the subjects ,Real Boss which had no limit options which creat parents and their kid .

how about if God take the parents and let the kid alive ?

Who am I? I am a person that finds your idea of god malicious and lacking in ethics thus is unworthy of worship. It is no more than a dictator and might by right arguments.

before your born , you exited twice from top two dirty parts in human body (p,p)

you are piece of meat combinded with His soul , eating and ****ing , tired and sleeping , get old and dieing , and then bury then get mouldiness.

in period of time you were not existing , and in futur you will not existing "

Quran 21/34 :
And We did not grant to any man before you eternity [on earth]; so if you die - would they be eternal?


God said that you not live eternal ,do you have other option ?

 

[Shad]

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lol

I am curious if your God can stop the child dieng ?

I do not believe in Gods.

don't mix the subjects ,Real Boss which had no limit options which creat parents and their kid .

This is based on the idea of X creates Y so X can kill/destroy Y. Same principle you used for God but you use special pleading to say parent can not do the same thing. More so why does anything which creates a life have a right to destroy that life? "Because God is boss" is not an answer, its an excuse. The same excuses dictators used

how about if God take the parents and let the kid alive ?

You are backpedaling now. Any god which treat humans as a tool and their deaths as a lesson for others is malicious.

before your born , you exited twice from top two dirty parts in human body (p,p)

So what? This has nothing to do with my comments, red herring

you are piece of meat combinded with His soul , eating and ****ing , tired and sleeping , get old and dieing , and then bury then get mouldiness.

So? That does not give anything the right to kill me.

in period of time you were not existing , and in futur you will not existing "

Quran 21/34 :
And We did not grant to any man before you eternity [on earth]; so if you die - would they be eternal?


God said that you not live eternal ,do you have other option ?

So? Red Herring. There is a difference between being mortal and being a child which nly purpose is to die to teach the parents a lesson. The child has become less than human and a tool

 

[JM2C]

Do you believe a woman can get pregnant without a man being involved ?

The only one I know is in the bible.

MT 1:23 “BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.”

Does science support it ?

What kind of science are you talking about, the one before it was hijacked or after?

 

[JM2C]

I think that Occam's Razor applies here. Let us ask ourselves which is the more likely scenario: That a divine superbeing impregnated Mary (without asking or consent, one might add) with the 'saviour of mankind' and suchforth, or that Mary simply had an affair with another man and lied about it?

If you read the following verses from verse 23 of Matthew 1, you would see how Matthew wants to make Jesus' virginal conception intelligibly clear, for he specifically wrote in verse 25 that Joseph had no sexual union with Mary until she gave birth to Jesus.

Mt 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Now, if you find another story other than this one, then you should provide us with proof.

 

[Katzpur]

Then explain the scriptures in Genesis concerning Noah's son who saw Noah naked, while Noah was sleeping in his tent.

Uh... could you be more specific?

 

[Godobeyer]

I do not believe in Gods.

So why you critic the way how my God treating his creatures ?

So why the nature let childern die?

This is based on the idea of X creates Y so X can kill/destroy Y. Same principle you used for God but you use special pleading to say parent can not do the same thing. More so why does anything which creates a life have a right to destroy that life? "Because God is boss" is not an answer, its an excuse. The same excuses dictators used

If you break a glass in your company , who will blame you ?

You are backpedaling now. Any god which treat humans as a tool and their deaths as a lesson for others is malicious.

So what? This has nothing to do with my comments, red herring

maybe you will become a lesson for your death , who knows ?

So? That does not give anything the right to kill me.

I disagree, God had the right to make you died .

since that you don't had the right to bring your-self to life .

So? Red Herring. There is a difference between being mortal and being a child which nly purpose is to die to teach the parents a lesson. The child has become less than human and a tool

We all soul , we all will gone .

Child is not less than human or tool , we don't run after destiny comes , the destiny which come to us , so that's God wish .

 

[dust1n]

I disagree , look at your body , it's certainlly designed .

imagine that your eyes under you mouth . or you had no teeth or no ears , lets suppose that you mouth is back ,how you will see the food or smell it !!!

if you don't designed , so you can remove any member of your body to other place , put your anus close to your mouth, cut your hand , leg ?

again , do you REALLY believe that your body is NOT designed ?[/QUOTE]

No, not really. If my body was designed it would entail everything is designed, and if everything is designed, than the designer made nonsense. So, even if it were true that anything was designed, I wouldn't find it worthy of praise; I didn't ask the favor of existence.

If my body was designed by God, than God did a poor job considering my immune system is attacking my brain and spinal cord, and can't produce Vitamin D from sunlight like most people in world. The only people who are knowledgeable about my body are doctors and scientists. Religion doesn't know anything about my body.[/QUOTE]

 

[dust1n]

that's good exemple , I am not sure if this issue expanded to non-Muslims

I find an article talking about how if a Muslim losing kid

The destiny and state of deceased Muslim children - Islam web - English

So Islam should look favorably towards abortion. Seems like to quickest way to ensure your child gets to heaven.

 

[Godobeyer]

So Islam should look favorably towards abortion. Seems like to quickest way to ensure your child gets to heaven.

seems that you ignore that abortion is forbiden in Islam , don't you ?

 

[Godobeyer]

No, not really. If my body was designed it would entail everything is designed, and if everything is designed, than the designer made nonsense. So, even if it were true that anything was designed, I wouldn't find it worthy of praise; I didn't ask the favor of existence.

If my body was designed by God, than God did a poor job considering my immune system is attacking my brain and spinal cord, and can't produce Vitamin D from sunlight like most people in world. The only people who are knowledgeable about my body are doctors and scientists. Religion doesn't know anything about my body.

bad quotation to my post , any way

I suppose the Doctors know the designs of human body ? , i guess they most persons whom know that human body is designed are scientists and doctors .

so you want God give you a body not able to be sick or die ?

can you believe that a sprem match with egg all parts of your body , who program sprem and egg ?

 

[Ingledsva]

The virgin birth should not be up for debate.......it was a mandatory item for Jesus since the inherited sin of Adam is passed down through the biological father. Jesus could have no sin in Him.......thus the Holy Spirit stepped in and did what was necessary...........the Holy blood shed at that cross had no sin in it.........not gonna happen..........

This is not correct.

They misinterpreted a Tanakh text, - Isaiah, - about the birth of Isaiah's son Emmanuel - by a Temple Virgin/Maiden, - as a sign that God was with them in the war, - and tried to turn it into a future vision of Jesus, - whom obviously wasn't even called Emmanuel!

They wrote that fiction, Jesus born of a virgin story, long after Jesus was dead.

Jesus NEVER claimed to be God. He claimed to be the awaited Jewish Messiah - whom was to be a special HUMAN from the line of David, whom would bring about the end, and Final Judgment, of ALL those waiting in Sheol. Whom would sit beside YHVH at the Judgment.

EDIT - Forgot to add - his special baptism would make him without sin.

*

 

[dust1n]

seems that you ignore that abortion is forbiden in Islam , don't you ?

I guess. If I were a parent, I'd gladly go to hell to secure a position in heaven for my child.

 

[dust1n]

I suppose the Doctors know the designs of human body ? , i guess they most persons whom know that human body is designed are scientists and doctors.

There is no design for them to know. Just the accumulation of millions of observations people have made about the human body.

so you want God give you a body not able to be sick or die ?

Well, I don't believe in God, so it doesn't matter. But if I did believe in God, I would certainly expect a working body as a condition for worship.

can you believe that a sprem match with egg all parts of your body , who program sprem and egg ?

When egg and sperm meet, every gene has close to, if not essentially a 50% chance of getting passed down to a child.

So ever gene from your mom and lined up to the gene of your dad. And then a coin is flipped to determine which gets passed on. Then again for the next gene. Repeat some billions of times. Does God design the outcome of coin flips? If I flip a quarter, and it lands on heads, did God design that coin flip to land on heads?

 

[Godobeyer]

I guess. If I were a parent, I'd gladly go to hell to secure a position in heaven for my child.

that's all parent feels too .

don't wory all the childern are in heaven , are you happy for them ?