lostwanderingsoul
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mycroft thinks mankind will solve all our problems but it looks to me like mankind just causes more problems. It is going to take a supernatural power to save mankind from destroying itself.
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What do you think of the virgin birth of Jesus ?
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Because claiming that you were miraculously impregnated by God is going to be readily believable by your spouse. If you were going to lie about the pregnancy, a better tactic would be to claim that you were raped.
It's naturally such a tall order, that Joseph had to be told by dream that this really was God at work as he was going to divorce Mary over it.
Technically, they were engaged but not married yet, as I understand it.
But nevermind my quibbling. You're right.
No, you're right there. It's been a little while since I've read the Gospels.
Never too late to brush up.
Mycroft
Ministry of Serendipity
Only if they were a complete dullard.
Frolicking_Fox
Artemis, Athena, and Buddha. Anarcho-Communist.
No, it is absurd for a woman to give birth while remain a virgin. Not to mention that the understanding of the world was not fully developed back then, so people often confused typical things as the "supernatural".
InChrist
Free4ever
I don't believe a woman can become pregnant without a man under normal circumstances, yet the birth of the Savior of the world is not an everyday event. I do believe the account in the scriptures and the supernatural hand of God in bringing about the birth of Jesus Christ because nothing is impossible for God the Creator of heaven and earth.
NewGuyOnTheBlock
Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
And a completely unoriginal myth, at that.
Here in this article, we find many instances of supposed virgin births:
Miraculous births - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Except if you actually look at those other stories, it's not the same thing.
dust1n
Zindīq
I guess that supernatural power is just going to sit by and watch in the meanwhile.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Mythologies routinely use virgin births. Actually, in Hinduism Draupadi, who had five husbands (the Pandavas), was supposed to be virgin all the time (vagina repaired itself). Her mother-in-law, Kunti, invited, got pregnant and gave birth to children of four Gods. The second mother-in-law, Madri, was induced to invite two brother Gods (Kunti had a mantra, and their husband, Pandu, was under a curse not to touch his wives lest he dies), and therefore, gave birth to twins.
Apart from mythology, it may have been a case of parthenogenesis, willing sex or rape, which was tried to be justified with the virgin birth story.
Apart from mythology, it may have been a case of parthenogenesis, willing sex or rape, which was tried to be justified with the virgin birth story.
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By saying the vagina repaired itself, isn't that implying Draupadi had sex? And if Draupadi was having sex, is it really meaningful to call her a 'virgin'?
JustCallMeNick
Member
It's notable that the earliest Gospel, Mark, does not contain this story (and the even earlier Epistles never mention it either), and the two later Gospels that do (Matthew and Luke) don't really agree with each other on the specifics. We tend to conflate the two in a hybrid re-telling of the story, but read independently the stories are surprisingly different.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Oh yes, she had sex and probably a lot of it with five husbands, but that is what the stories say. She was supposed to be dark and husky. Her other name was 'Krishnā' which means dark-skinned. She had five sons, one from each husband. All of them died in the Mahabharata war (their tents were torched by Ashwatthama, the son of Pandava guru, Dronacharya). The most famous dark and husky Indian beauty of modern times (she is a nominated member of the Upper house of the Indian parliament), Rekha.
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Jumi
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Yes, it does. But not with the science and technology of the past.
So it wasn't a virgin birth. All these examples from world religion that people use to try to say that the story of Jesus is a rip off of other figures always turn out to be not the case upon closer examination. It's all based on shoddy "research".
Please note I am a "Village Hindu" so this means I worship lots of Gods but the end game is the Experience of Hinduism and not Gods but They are Existing.
I think it is possible to have a virgin birth, there are examples among Gods and/or Angels. But I am not going to vote because I do not know if Mary in the historical sense is the same Mary many think of, perhaps Mary might be a Goddess.
Also many Gods, for example Surya the Sun God, simply endowed a virgin birth of a chosen One, often Surya does this as well as some Others, it is totally asexual. "Asexual" is a word some Hindus as well as Jains use, it has to do with evolution of humans to the spiritual powers. Not all Hindus agree, I will get to asexual in a minute.
A respectful question to Christians from a Hindu regarding the Virgin Mary.
I know for a fact that there are many peoples and individuals who are not Christian but have devotion for the Virgin Mary. They keep Mary's picture or a murti, they love Mary as a Goddess, they have no problem at all with the concept of a Virgin giving birth at all. Many believe that there will be a time in the future where humans advance to the point where they are asexual, neither a man nor a woman per say but like a eunuch or asexual and that it will be possible to give birth on a spiritual plane.
I understand that not all Christians venerate Mary, but for those who do such as Catholics, do they object or find offensive non-Christians venerating Mary? Often their focus is on Mary, and Jesus is seen as an advanced savant but Mary is a Goddess or a Power that still appears on the earth planet on occasion even today to give messages or even warnings and has the name like Mary or Mariam and such. They might say Mary appeared "here" (i.e. at this waterfall, or in this grove, etc.) and then a tradition develops and they are not even Christian nor do they ever intend to be baltized or anything. Is this offensive?
Mary Matha: Why Hindus In India Venerate Mother Mary, The Blessed Virgin Of Roman Catholicism
I think it is possible to have a virgin birth, there are examples among Gods and/or Angels. But I am not going to vote because I do not know if Mary in the historical sense is the same Mary many think of, perhaps Mary might be a Goddess.
Also many Gods, for example Surya the Sun God, simply endowed a virgin birth of a chosen One, often Surya does this as well as some Others, it is totally asexual. "Asexual" is a word some Hindus as well as Jains use, it has to do with evolution of humans to the spiritual powers. Not all Hindus agree, I will get to asexual in a minute.
A respectful question to Christians from a Hindu regarding the Virgin Mary.
I know for a fact that there are many peoples and individuals who are not Christian but have devotion for the Virgin Mary. They keep Mary's picture or a murti, they love Mary as a Goddess, they have no problem at all with the concept of a Virgin giving birth at all. Many believe that there will be a time in the future where humans advance to the point where they are asexual, neither a man nor a woman per say but like a eunuch or asexual and that it will be possible to give birth on a spiritual plane.
I understand that not all Christians venerate Mary, but for those who do such as Catholics, do they object or find offensive non-Christians venerating Mary? Often their focus is on Mary, and Jesus is seen as an advanced savant but Mary is a Goddess or a Power that still appears on the earth planet on occasion even today to give messages or even warnings and has the name like Mary or Mariam and such. They might say Mary appeared "here" (i.e. at this waterfall, or in this grove, etc.) and then a tradition develops and they are not even Christian nor do they ever intend to be baltized or anything. Is this offensive?
Mary Matha: Why Hindus In India Venerate Mother Mary, The Blessed Virgin Of Roman Catholicism
Proper veneration of Mary is never offensive. But we venerate her as the mother of Christ, not a goddess in her own right. She is still but a human being as subject to God as the rest of us, but in a position where she offers powerful intersessions on our behalf as she is the closest to God as the mother of Christ.
To venerate her as a goddess is idolatry and a terrible sin, as worship is owed only to God. However, a Hindu ignorant of Christian tradition would not hold the same culpability a Catholic would if they were to do such. At best they would be misguided if they treated her as some kind of deity.
I don't have a problem with non-Christians venerating Mary. I'm sure she welcomes it as she is very loving and opens her arms to all. Anyone can pray the Rosary, after all, and it's encouraged for all people to pray the Rosary. However, she might be saddened by people thinking she is a goddess. She is not. She is a human being who is a faithful servant of God like all Saints are and only desires to lead more people to her Son and His Father. So that's the only caution I would have - Please don't worship her as a goddess.